Running in Dementlie

[kionemauka]

I feel like any haste, expedition retreat, lonstrider ETC Move SPeed buffs, should give OCR if casted WITHIN the Publique.


I can only imagine this behavior, speed walking, or running fast, walking fast, can only be seen as impolite

[myrddraal]

Yeah idk.  That would mean literally all monks would get banished for repeatedly breaking the law / fined all the time.  Barbarians too.

[Lucadia]

This is an ic problem, not a mechanical one.

[FinalHeaven]

This is mostly already handled by the Gendarme PCs, and DMs definitely hit the OCR of repeat offenders.

[hobbknacass]

Yeah idk.  That would mean literally all monks would get banished for repeatedly breaking the law / fined all the time.  Barbarians too.

Sounds good to me.

On a serious note, this simply doesn't seem practical to implement. Just sort of up to players to look down their noses at the people running or wearing heavy armor and reporting it to their local Gendarme so they can give them a fine or banish them for not being Dementlieuse enough.

[zDark Shadowz]

https://www.nwnravenloft.com/forum/index.php?topic=58101.0

It's not a crime to run, it's just exhausting, and people need to send messages between businesses at a quick pace so runners are expected to be hired and used, and you're telling me people should find a first level spell that let's you run quickly in a city of capitalism and higher learning... As something to be abhorred, feared or permanently ridiculed?

Pushing the "Disturbing the Peace" card in the Nobles district, sure, okay, you want to keep that quiet refined air and tranquility there maybe, but the city is a busy place and draisines aren't around for us to use. It's not a mall you slow walk around in.

[bunnie]

It's not a crime to run

running in the quartier publique has been a fineable offense for like a few years now (admittedly it should be kept better updated - i'll work on that!!)

dont agree with the premise of this post though; running should be handled IC by the gendarme PCs (as it already is). mechanical punishment for what is basically 'walking a bit faster' seems more than unnecessary and kind of annoying for those who want to get somewhere quicker than usual without breaking into a dead sprint. let people speedwalk :[

[kionemauka]

Yeah idk.  That would mean literally all monks would get banished for repeatedly breaking the law / fined all the time.  Barbarians too.

This seems pretty appropriate tbh

[Avela]

So I'm not totally clear on what is the actual issue in question here- is it pcs casting the spell in front of guard npcs and running about, or is it just running/walking fast with the speed buffs in the area at all?

I can see an argument for casting spells in front of npcs and getting at least a look. And as someone with a port pc, yes, it can be annoying trying to be an elegant port person and suddenly dirty outlanders (affectionately) zoom past you with no regard for the setting whatsoever, and the npc patrols just... ignore it. And then you have to ignore the guard npc ignoring the dirty outlander (affectionately) pc ignoring the guard npc.

But as mentioned before, running in the public quarter, enhanced or not, is already a fineable offense and that's best handled by gendarme pcs or dms. Though the thought of someone who's racked up such an ocr they're basically attacked on sight all because they run a lot is lowkey kind of funny.

But yeah, fast walking? I haven't seen anyone in port consider that rude or out of line- it's barely commented on, at least from my experience anyway.

[kionemauka]

So I'm not totally clear on what is the actual issue in question here- is it pcs casting the spell in front of guard npcs and running about, or is it just running/walking fast with the speed buffs in the area at all?

I can see an argument for casting spells in front of npcs and getting at least a look. And as someone with a port pc, yes, it can be annoying trying to be an elegant port person and suddenly dirty outlanders (affectionately) zoom past you with no regard for the setting whatsoever, and the npc patrols just... ignore it. And then you have to ignore the guard npc ignoring the dirty outlander (affectionately) pc ignoring the guard npc.

But as mentioned before, running in the public quarter, enhanced or not, is already a fineable offense and that's best handled by gendarme pcs or dms. Though the thought of someone who's racked up such an ocr they're basically attacked on sight all because they run a lot is lowkey kind of funny.

But yeah, fast walking? I haven't seen anyone in port consider that rude or out of line- it's barely commented on, at least from my experience anyway.

speed walking in many parts of the world (irl) its rude because your not considering others, and may cause an accident

this seems to be apart of the in line with port aswell


As far as running etc, they enforced various behaviors mechanically in other places, seems it owuld make sense for port to mechanically limit "speed" spells

[Lightweaver]

Just chiming in for awareness that anyone with a bonus movement modifier can remove it by typing @walk normal.

Otherwise, my personal opinion is that this is something to be addressed by the guard faction. Repeated offenders would inevitably be escalated to the point where they're no longer permitted in town. If they're still ignoring setting enforcement at that point, it's for the DMs to regard.


Edit: My sentiments are in regards to running. I feel any effort to walk is an attempt to respect the integrity of the area.

[Lucadia]

This really not for mechanical enforcement if not a waste of time. Never had issue with long strider while a full break run was fun to explain to guard PC why you in a life or death situation and gotta go fast

[Dale]

This wasn't on my POTM Forum Bingo 2025

[CosmicRay]

[HM] can i see your running license, domn?

[Madame Trousers Son]

Technically it's not about speed, but about how far your feet lift from the ground.

Seriously, though, this precedes the current faction membership. It's all about Dementlieu's regard for decorum.

[Maiyannah]

As a system, OCR is meant to mechanically enforce offences that can be automatically detected so as to enforce the setting.  This is exactly the kind of thing the system would excell at, frankly.

[Monolith]

Ill go the other way, running should not be illegal.

The Vistani caravan is placed in such a way that forces everyone to pass through the publique to get anywhere else in the domain, be it dungeons, crafting, visiting rentals and in my case the RVT storefront, and then usually have to pass through it again to get out of the domain. Its a high traffic area by design.

Punishing players for running is just intentionally wasting their time, and doesnt really generate any positive RP. It creates a situation where it makes more sense for me to cast invisibility and haste, then just run through, instead of wasting 2-3 minutes slow walking through a long zone that has pretty high odds of not even having any players in it at the time.

[Maiyannah]

If you cannot conform yourself to the expectations of Dementlieu, of all the domains it is not a place for you to be.

[Alalaurealarialelia]

I agree that A) running in the Ouvrier, for example, should not matter and B) just getting OCR for casting a spell anywhere without sight of any NPCs does not make any sense. Where no witness, there no crime.

[Vissy]

The idea that you, OOCly, should not be somewhere because you can't conform to the IC rules of whatever location is silly. I think you should go and make trouble, run everywhere around the Publique, at least that usually makes for something interesting to happen. It gives the Gendarmerie players something to do, and for other PCs to gape at or laugh at. If someone gets OOCly mad over that, that's their issue.

[Madame Trousers Son]

Heck, you can even run in the Marchand, after all that's what the mercantile commoners are expected to do.

[Vantes-]

Given there may be situations that actually call for characters to begin running, automating OCR increases for people running may create a mess that would require cleanup.

Leave it to the guard faction to do it as they see fit.

[MsDianaQueen]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Dementlieu is not Barovia in which the general population would scream bloody murder at casting a speed spell in a common space.

That being said should you break into a full sprint? No but simply wanting to walk faster is not a crime as mentioned above both here and irl. Some people also truly just walk faster than others, should they be penalized as well?

[Merry Munchkin]

They do yell at your if you cast haste as a sorcerer (which I have never understood -- how are they supposed to distinguish a sorcerer from a wizard anyway?)

That said, please no auto OCR just for moving fast.  Sometimes you just gotta get somewhere in a hurry.

[William Roberts]

Double OCR for running with scissors.