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Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« on: January 24, 2025, 12:03:19 PM »
This would make it where people could specifically role play hunting cannibals in rp through study focus

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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2025, 10:07:54 PM »
There is no justification for such change. A monstrous behavior in a humanoid does not change its creature type.

Overindulging in the Voracious feat could technically curse an individual to become a ghoul, or maybe some other type of ravenous creature, but those change occur only when a player elects to make the character a MPC.
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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2025, 10:11:27 PM »
Or possibly talk to a DM about getting a Dark Power curse, that might be an option.
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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2025, 10:46:44 AM »
There is no justification for such change. A monstrous behavior in a humanoid does not change its creature type.

Well, the justification is to allow player rangers or monster hunters to target Voracious players specifically.  Whether it's a sound justification or not I leave to others to debate, I'm on the fence myself.
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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2025, 11:05:09 AM »
There is no justification for such change. A monstrous behavior in a humanoid does not change its creature type.

Well, the justification is to allow player rangers or monster hunters to target Voracious players specifically.  Whether it's a sound justification or not I leave to others to debate, I'm on the fence myself.

They can take human, elf, dwarf, undead, etc already now. There is no need to create a non-PnP subrace to fulfill this. The amount of effort and work isn't worth the result.

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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2025, 11:11:00 AM »
Or possibly talk to a DM about getting a Dark Power curse, that might be an option.

I dont think you can just ask for dark powers.  To encourage people from not just doing stuff for the sake of asking.

I’ve been hit with a  -100 evil shift and wasn’t even checked so I doubt they’d just give them out because you asked.
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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2025, 11:13:49 AM »
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There is no justification for such change. A monstrous behavior in a humanoid does not change its creature type.

Well, the justification is to allow player rangers or monster hunters to target Voracious players specifically.  Whether it's a sound justification or not I leave to others to debate, I'm on the fence myself.
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They can take human, elf, dwarf, undead, etc already now. There is no need to create a non-PnP subrace to fulfill this. The amount of effort and work isn't worth the result.

It's very niche, too. How many players would expend their choice on the subrace versus expending it on something like humans?


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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2025, 12:50:49 PM »
I dont think you can just ask for dark powers.  To encourage people from not just doing stuff for the sake of asking.

I’ve been hit with a  -100 evil shift and wasn’t even checked so I doubt they’d just give them out because you asked.

Yeah, you definitely can't just ask, but I think if you can suggest a decent idea to the DMs and present yourself as willing and capable of representing the Dark Curse, they might well roll with it.
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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2025, 01:06:48 PM »
Remember. A cannibal human is still a Humanoid (Human) for all mechanical purposes. Were we to change its type, items and game mechanics specifically affecting humans would cease to work and that's not especially desired here.

D&D 3.5 defines the Monstrous creature type as "Monstrous humanoids are similar to humanoids, but with monstrous or animalistic features." Being a cannibal is a behavior. While that may certainly be seen as barbaric and monstrous, it's not in itself a creature type feature.
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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2025, 01:57:46 PM »
Remember. A cannibal human is still a Humanoid (Human) for all mechanical purposes. Were we to change its type, items and game mechanics specifically affecting humans would cease to work and that's not especially desired here.

D&D 3.5 defines the Monstrous creature type as "Monstrous humanoids are similar to humanoids, but with monstrous or animalistic features." Being a cannibal is a behavior. While that may certainly be seen as barbaric and monstrous, it's not in itself a creature type feature.


I mean.....the creation of a Wendigo is caused by the consumption of human flesh...so...perhaps a separate plot could be considered for this SHOULD a player WANT that line...

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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2025, 02:09:46 PM »
Remember. A cannibal human is still a Humanoid (Human) for all mechanical purposes. Were we to change its type, items and game mechanics specifically affecting humans would cease to work and that's not especially desired here.

D&D 3.5 defines the Monstrous creature type as "Monstrous humanoids are similar to humanoids, but with monstrous or animalistic features." Being a cannibal is a behavior. While that may certainly be seen as barbaric and monstrous, it's not in itself a creature type feature.


I mean.....the creation of a Wendigo is caused by the consumption of human flesh...so...perhaps a separate plot could be considered for this SHOULD a player WANT that line...

Becoming a ghoul is also done feasting on human flesh g(there’s more to it than that I know). They could apply for mpc if they wanted.

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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2025, 02:12:40 PM »
Remember. A cannibal human is still a Humanoid (Human) for all mechanical purposes. Were we to change its type, items and game mechanics specifically affecting humans would cease to work and that's not especially desired here.

D&D 3.5 defines the Monstrous creature type as "Monstrous humanoids are similar to humanoids, but with monstrous or animalistic features." Being a cannibal is a behavior. While that may certainly be seen as barbaric and monstrous, it's not in itself a creature type feature.


I mean.....the creation of a Wendigo is caused by the consumption of human flesh...so...perhaps a separate plot could be considered for this SHOULD a player WANT that line...

Becoming a ghoul is also done feasting on human flesh g(there’s more to it than that I know). They could apply for mpc if they wanted.

Indeed, the key word is "Wanted"...I would not want that forced on a player. Most cannibals do get caught in some form.

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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2025, 10:10:28 AM »
Well, the justification is to allow player rangers or monster hunters to target Voracious players specifically.  Whether it's a sound justification or not I leave to others to debate, I'm on the fence myself.

I would suspect for the complete opposite reason. Most Rangers take Human not Montrous Humanoid as FEs. The typical Ranger set up is Undead, Human, Elf, and two of Half-Elf, Outsider, Gnome, Halfling. This would make it so that Bane Bow does not provide its divine damage against the Voracious user nor does the Ranger get the native +5 FE bonus to damage. Monster Hunter I would imagine is rarely taken and when it is taken it is for access to Turning, UMD, Stealth, and Detection rather than Studied Combat as it is a mid BAB PrC with intended martial entry.

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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2025, 06:02:27 PM »
I’m not sure who added a poll but I’ll echo MAB’s statements. We won’t make such a change. In Ravenloft, Voracious leads to ghoul, which is available via application.

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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2025, 08:08:51 PM »
There is no justification for such change. A monstrous behavior in a humanoid does not change its creature type.

Well, the justification is to allow player rangers or monster hunters to target Voracious players specifically.  Whether it's a sound justification or not I leave to others to debate, I'm on the fence myself.



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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2025, 09:09:48 AM »
If that’s the case it’s entirely unnecessary.  Just take FE human / half orc / elf and benefit from the voracious and non voracious.  It would be one of the biggest trap feats to exist with a benefit so incredibly marginal that you will likely never use that it may as well not exist.

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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2025, 09:58:13 AM »
If that’s the case it’s entirely unnecessary.  Just take FE human / half orc / elf and benefit from the voracious and non voracious.  It would be one of the biggest trap feats to exist with a benefit so incredibly marginal that you will likely never use that it may as well not exist.

Voracious is kind of intentionally designed as a trap feat.  You gain short term power for the long term eternal damnation of degenerating into a ghoul or ghast.  This is not currently represented outside of DM intervention however.
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Re: Make Voracious change you to a Monstrous Human subrace
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2025, 08:24:59 PM »
If that’s the case it’s entirely unnecessary.  Just take FE human / half orc / elf and benefit from the voracious and non voracious.  It would be one of the biggest trap feats to exist with a benefit so incredibly marginal that you will likely never use that it may as well not exist.

Voracious is kind of intentionally designed as a trap feat.  You gain short term power for the long term eternal damnation of degenerating into a ghoul or ghast.  This is not currently represented outside of DM intervention however.

Im talking about FE voracious person as a feat to be added.  That would be the worst trap feat of all trap feats.  Voracious you at least gain a consistent mechanical benefit from along side the roleplay of it.  FE Voracious would just be a dog ass feat and you can just take human / half orc / outsider because thats generally who takes voracious.