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Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« on: February 25, 2023, 02:50:00 AM »
Sorry for spamming Module Feedback and Suggestions recently, but why doesn't Reds sell drugs to players? Having to go all the way to Port-a-lucine for drugs is very annoying for Underground drug-dealing RP.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2023, 02:53:21 AM »
Yeah where are the drugs at. Not that Port shouldn't have it's specialties but, for all the delivery work we do, I'm surprised Red ain't just handing it out as is.
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2023, 03:17:48 AM »
i demand the open free market of drug paraphernalia for all denizens of the drain

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2023, 04:08:46 AM »
Yeah where are the drugs at. Not that Port shouldn't have it's specialties but, for all the delivery work we do, I'm surprised Red ain't just handing it out as is.

Port already has alot of specialties compared to the Drain, it's insane, but that is besides the point of the thread.
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to PCs
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2023, 11:43:28 PM »
(Fixed the thread's subject...I think.)


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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2023, 11:48:19 AM »
Yeah, I want my drugs
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2023, 12:28:11 PM »
Reds I've always believed, should sell drugs to players. Makes little sense for some players to go all the way to port to get drugs when there is no one selling them in barovia. would be amazing to be able to get drugs from reds!
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2023, 02:09:18 PM »
Thought there were drugs in Wachter or Krofburg for some reason.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2023, 02:23:47 PM »
gimmie drugs

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2023, 02:26:18 PM »
Thought there were drugs in Wachter or Krofburg for some reason.

I know there are some shady ladies in the wachter old anchor upstairs, not sure if they sell drugs or anything... Never had a reason to interact with them ic
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2023, 02:40:04 PM »
The reason is Barovia isn't Port-à-Lucine (nor Hazlan); it's a mostly rural backwater domain. We strive to ensure our domains are all different enough from one another and reflect the themes of each, rather than have the same features in everyone.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2023, 02:48:40 PM »
The reason is Barovia isn't Port-à-Lucine (nor Hazlan); it's a mostly rural backwater domain. We strive to ensure our domains are all different enough from one another and reflect the themes of each, rather than have the same features in everyone.

Then why does Reds let you buy drugs to deliver at all? It's rather strange. Also, Port and Hazlan still have rather strong different features, Hazlan has special hookahs, and Port a far larger selection of drug choices.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2023, 02:52:21 PM »
If the devs want to avoid having same features everywhere, then maybe a more productive way to think about this would be to think about which unique drugs Reds should sell, instead of them being the same drugs they sell in Port-à-Lucine.
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2023, 02:54:54 PM »
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Then why does Reds let you buy drugs to deliver at all? It's rather strange. Also, Port and Hazlan still have rather strong different features, Hazlan has special hookahs, and Port a far larger selection of drug choices.

Yes, and so does Barovia. Each domain has different features, things that make them stand out. Port has a more vibrant criminal underworld than a small fishing village in a rural domain.

As for Reds, he is involved in smuggling, does not mean he has access to a plethora of things.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2023, 03:13:15 PM »
What about a different NPC? Not Reds, but it could be someone connected to Knives' gang.
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2023, 03:35:54 PM »
So, wait, the guy who smuggles large amounts of opium has no opium? Like there's no drugs to buy in vallaki at all?
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2023, 03:38:54 PM »
Port has a more vibrant criminal underworld than a small fishing village in a rural domain.

Should we still label Vallaki as a small fishing village? It seems more like a small town at minimum. It has stone walls everywhere, seven large areas, and the surrounding farmland.

On topic: Barovia is unique enough that no introduction of drug sales would make the domain any more alike to Dementlieu. Many people like to RP in Port. Many people like to RP in Vallaki, giving those who prefer Vallaki means to enhance their RP won't diminish Port.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2023, 03:44:00 PM »
Vallaki is labeled as a city in game. 🤷‍♂️
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2023, 03:53:37 PM »
I mean Reds asks you to smuggle opium up to Krofburg because Krofburg has a big mining tent town outside of it with a bunch of outlanders up there with too much silver on their hands. It isn't representative of a domestic drug trade, realy.
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2023, 03:57:58 PM »
Should we still label Vallaki as a small fishing village? It seems more like a small town at minimum. It has stone walls everywhere, seven large areas, and the surrounding farmland.

On topic: Barovia is unique enough that no introduction of drug sales would make the domain any more alike to Dementlieu. Many people like to RP in Port. Many people like to RP in Vallaki, giving those who prefer Vallaki means to enhance their RP won't diminish Port.

Drawing from the Gazetteer; Barovia has a population of 27,700 in total. Vallaki is rated as a 'small town' with a population of 1,547, which is roughly equal to Immol, at 1,623, larger than VoB at 535, smaller than Zeidenburg, Teufeldorf and Krezk respectively at 4,615, 3,539 and 2,060. However, all of these statistics are departed from significantly; Vallaki is meant to be a 'small town' nestled inside the remains of prior architecture, but has arguably since grown well beyond that.

On the original topic; there's delivery options to take Opium and Passionflesh up to Krofburg. That confirms that there is in fact an illicit drug market in Vallaki and no drug peddler is going to turn away customers when they have stock; supply and demand still applies even to the drug trade. The fact that you can pick up a whole bag of Opium but you can't buy it is silly and means that players have to then chase down DMs to source said drugs, which is a massive roadblock. If someone wants to make a dedicated effort to becoming a drug baron of the Drain, seeking out a DM seems sensible, but if someone's just seeking a character's personal vice having to take up a DM's time for a scene just to hand over cash to Reds seems like an onerous use of everyone's time.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2023, 04:00:13 PM »
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Should we still label Vallaki as a small fishing village? It seems more like a small town at minimum. It has stone walls everywhere, seven large areas, and the surrounding farmland.

It remains a 1500 people (+ children, like all DnD population stats) small town. At the time it was built, when the server only encompassed Vallaki's surroundings, it made sense for it to be that big (since there was no comparison). The primary reason we haven't shrunk it to two areas is because it's not exactly a good investment of development time, when we can build and add new content. It doesn't mean we will never do it but we haven't, and we won't double down on that misrepresentation.

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On topic: Barovia is unique enough that no introduction of drug sales would make the domain any more alike to Dementlieu. Many people like to RP in Port. Many people like to RP in Vallaki, giving those who prefer Vallaki means to enhance their RP won't diminish Port.

Each domain covers different themes, and stand out on their own. I know people want Barovia to feel more... generic, and have everything, but that's not our goal. There are roleplay avenues better explored in other domains. There is still a small underworld in Vallaki (the RVT, the Drain) but it's more about petty crimes, theft, etc. Port-à-Lucine, in comparison, has the wretched Quartier Ouvrier, where crime is rampant, and people are desperate. Hazlan has the decadent consumption of opium among both its upper and lower classes.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2023, 04:06:23 PM »
PCs should be stocking up in Port then selling drugs to people in Barovia.

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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2023, 09:42:25 PM »
What about someone in Kroftburg that sold the drugs? The shipments seem to always go there... maybe someone could be/is dealing inside one of those less than savory inn/taverns?
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2023, 07:22:05 AM »
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Should we still label Vallaki as a small fishing village? It seems more like a small town at minimum. It has stone walls everywhere, seven large areas, and the surrounding farmland.

It remains a 1500 people (+ children, like all DnD population stats) small town. At the time it was built, when the server only encompassed Vallaki's surroundings, it made sense for it to be that big (since there was no comparison). The primary reason we haven't shrunk it to two areas is because it's not exactly a good investment of development time, when we can build and add new content. It doesn't mean we will never do it but we haven't, and we won't double down on that misrepresentation.

On the topic of scale, someone should actually count the number of buildings and domiciles in the city, it's not actually all that untoward.  You've 1500 people cramming into a few hundred buildings (and the outlying farms).

Rather there's "larger" cities that need to be larger, really, to be more accurate.
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Re: Let Reds in the Drain sell drugs to players.
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2023, 07:27:11 AM »

PCs should be stocking up in Port then selling drugs to people in Barovia.

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