Can get +6 parry AC in Studded Leather armour.

[Madame Trousers Son]

I'm wearing a Gendarmerie Uniform (Studded Leather) with ACP -1.

I have 22 ranks in Parry, DEX 14, a Viper's Blade and a Practice Baton for a further +8 parry. I have no Parry feats.

By my understanding, the above should cap at 30 -1 ACP for a total of 29, resulting in a maximum of +5 parry AC. I am instead getting +6.

So either my understanding is wrong and the parry formula has been changed or there appears to be a miscalculation.

[Lightweaver]

Do you have any of the one-handed defensive feats?

[Madame Trousers Son]

Nope!

[Anarcoplayba]

I'm wearing a Gendarmerie Uniform (Studded Leather) with ACP -1.

I have 22 ranks in Parry, DEX 14, a Viper's Blade and a Practice Baton for a further +8 parry. I have no Parry feats.

By my understanding, the above should cap at 30 -1 ACP for a total of 29, resulting in a maximum of +5 parry AC. I am instead getting +6.

So either my understanding is wrong and the parry formula has been changed or there appears to be a miscalculation.

Afaik, 22+2+8-1=31.

I believe that the +6 caps, but parry can go further with no added benefit.

[Ryujin]

I'm wearing a Gendarmerie Uniform (Studded Leather) with ACP -1.

I have 22 ranks in Parry, DEX 14, a Viper's Blade and a Practice Baton for a further +8 parry. I have no Parry feats.

By my understanding, the above should cap at 30 -1 ACP for a total of 29, resulting in a maximum of +5 parry AC. I am instead getting +6.

So either my understanding is wrong and the parry formula has been changed or there appears to be a miscalculation.

Afaik, 22+2+8-1=31.

I believe that the +6 caps, but parry can go further with no added benefit.

He does have -1 ACP though. Meaning he should not be able to get +6 Parry AC.

[Anarcoplayba]

I'm wearing a Gendarmerie Uniform (Studded Leather) with ACP -1.

I have 22 ranks in Parry, DEX 14, a Viper's Blade and a Practice Baton for a further +8 parry. I have no Parry feats.

By my understanding, the above should cap at 30 -1 ACP for a total of 29, resulting in a maximum of +5 parry AC. I am instead getting +6.

So either my understanding is wrong and the parry formula has been changed or there appears to be a miscalculation.

Afaik, 22+2+8-1=31.

I believe that the +6 caps, but parry can go further with no added benefit.

He does have -1 ACP though. Meaning he should not be able to get +6 Parry AC.

This is the -1 in my calculation. Anyway, I haver a Pc with 30 parry withou max cat or practice baton or bard song. Gonna test arriving home, but I do believe that if you have for instance 35 parry and -4, you still get the +6.

[Madame Trousers Son]

Your interpretation contradicts the wiki, so one of the two is wrong.

https://nwnravenloft.fandom.com/wiki/Parry

[Anarcoplayba]

Your interpretation contradicts the wiki, so one of the two is wrong.

https://nwnravenloft.fandom.com/wiki/Parry

First:



Second, the wiki contradicts itself:

For every five skill points (up to maximum of 30 before armor check penalty is applied) including modifiers (dexterity, armor check penalty, etc.)

So, as far as I understand, you add and subtract everything you can and gain +1 AC for every skill point up to thirty.

Therefore, to my understanding, in your case, there is no mistake: you added all the bonus and penalties and reached 31, no problem, +6.

Oh, and also:





I have 37 parry and "just" +6 ac.

So, mechanically, you can have more than 30 parry, but you will only have +6 AC.

[Ryujin]

This sounds like a bug... You should only be able to get 5 parry AC max if you have -1 ACP... Right?

[Anarcoplayba]

This sounds like a bug... You should only be able to get 5 parry AC max if you have -1 ACP... Right?

I do not have ACP, but, my argument here, is that I hit 37 parry and "only" get +6.

Or, taking the Wiki as base, how I understand the calculation works: you add and subtract everything you have and the max you get is +6, wether you get 30 or 37 parry.

[zDark Shadowz]

The maximum parry is supposed to be affected by ACP, the most you can benefit from parry should be [30-ACP] so with 33 parry and a -1 ACP, the result should be stopping at 29 for a plus 5.

Thanks for reporting the bug with studded leather armour.

[EO]

Yeah that's a bug happening with plot items, such as uniforms. I'll fix this next update.

[Kireek]

What? I thought this was how tumble worked, not parry- Parry still giving you +6 if you invest skill points into it is just fine....

You have another skill tumble which behaves differently, which I am also fine with.

[FinalHeaven]

What? I thought this was how tumble worked, not parry- Parry still giving you +6 if you invest skill points into it is just fine....

You have another skill tumble which behaves differently, which I am also fine with.

Parry is suppose to give you AC for every 5 points you have, but it's also supposed to take into account your ACP.

Tumble does not include ACP. 

[MatticusCaesar]

As far as AC bonus for Tumble goes, it uses only the raw skill ranks invested.  There are no modifiers/penalties applied, and it caps at +4 AC bonus with 20 ranks.

Tumble checks like when moving around in combat or for "acrobatics"-style activities, by contrast, will still apply any bonuses/penalties from attributes, gear, spells, etc.

Your Parry AC bonus is easier to calculate if you look at it from two steps:

1) Determine your Max Possible AC Bonus from Parry due to ACP:  (30 - ACP)/5, round down
So if you were wearing studded leather (-1) and using a large shield (-6), (30-7)/5, rounded down = +4.

2) Determine your actual Parry score AC bonus: (Modified Parry Skill/5), round down, capped at +6.
So if your modified Parry skill was 27, your AC bonus could potentially be +5

3) Use the least value of #1 or #2.  In the above example, even with a Parry of 27, your AC Parry bonus would be +4, since it is the lesser of the two values.

As Vetala said, though, the Bonetti/Thibault/Agrippa feat chain will add to the displayed value when you equip a melee weapon in the main hand:
With those feats it's quite possible to make that display go past +6 which can make the calculation look confusing:

[EO]

This should now be fixed.

[Madame Trousers Son]

Can confirm!