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Song of the Heart and Subsonics not available as general feats.
« on: October 08, 2022, 05:28:45 PM »
Editing for clarity purposes:

Name: Subsonics and Song of the Heart not appearing in the general feat list.

Where: Everywhere.

When: When leveling up.

What: Despite having the requirements, the feats song of the heart and subsonics do not appear in the general feat list, despite being listed as general feats.

Recreate: Pick a PC which have the requirementes, level up as bard and look at the feats, do not confirm. Then level up as another class and you will not see the feats.

Ideas: Probably the feats are not coded as general feats, only as bard feats.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2022, 05:11:17 PM by Anarcoplayba »
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Re: Song of the Heart and Subsonics not available as general feats.
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2022, 05:24:43 PM »
Just a little bump because I did edit to fix the report. Sorry for the spam.
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Re: Song of the Heart and Subsonics not available as general feats.
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2022, 07:06:11 PM »
Edit.
I confirmed the feats do not show up in the case you're multiclassing as a barbarian. Although on the opposite side, oddly, the General rage feats for barbarian seems to be working and showing if you chose a level for bard or dirgist.
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Re: Song of the Heart and Subsonics not available as general feats.
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2022, 07:43:50 PM »
Edit.
I confirmed the feats do not show up in the case you're multiclassing as a barbarian. Although on the opposite side, oddly, the General rage feats for barbarian seems to be working and showing if you chose a level for bard or dirgist.

The problem is that either the feat is mistakenly coded (it is general instead of bard) or the wiki is wrong (it is bard insted of general).
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Re: Song of the Heart and Subsonics not available as general feats.
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2022, 12:24:21 AM »
Hmm I have no idea what its supposed to be but it feels like it should be a bard feat instead of a general feat.

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Re: Song of the Heart and Subsonics not available as general feats.
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2022, 09:48:42 AM »
Hmm I have no idea what its supposed to be but it feels like it should be a bard feat instead of a general feat.

If this is the case, no problem, but I see no reason (in context) for that.

Lingering song and extra song appears in the general feat screen. As mentioned above, once you unlock barbarian rage, the rage feats appear in the general screen. Metamagic feats, once you unlock them, appear in teh general feat screen.

I do believe that a very narrow feat selection is locked under classes (weapon specialization, martial supremacy, etc.) Unless it is a class+level locked feat (like the combat forms) there is no reason to not allow a bard/ftr to grab a song feat in the fighter level.

But, again, the bug is the incongruence between the wiki and the game... one of those will have to change. Then we can discuss the balance of the situation.

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The feat is general in its description, therefore, it is a bug of the feat and the discussion of balance is completely valid, but another thing.
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Re: Song of the Heart and Subsonics not available as general feats.
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2022, 12:57:18 PM »
Both are available to all classes, but not always as bonus feats.