Requested: a way to @dispel shadow shield

[Dhelindria]

Could a way to dispel just the inky blackness of Shadow Shield be added, please?

[zDark Shadowz]

I like to know if my targets have warded themselves against necromancy and negative energy though, thats how I know I can't spam horrid wilting.

[remnar]

I'd say its a deliberate design decision to not include shadow shield and a few other spells in the "doesnt show up" category.

[Dhelindria]

I'm not asking for the visual to be removed when the spell is active; I'm asking for a way to @dispel it altogether without having to @dispel all the other spells in effect - like what can be done with Invisibility / concealment.

[cooachlyfe]

+1

[remnar]

I'm not asking for the visual to be removed when the spell is active; I'm asking for a way to @dispel it altogether without having to @dispel all the other spells in effect - like what can be done with Invisibility / concealment.

Ah, I see.  I misinterpreted your post.
This is a good idea.

[Swan]

Yes please. +1.

[Dardonas]

Can we do the same with Premonition as well?

[JustMonika]

Perhaps just @dispel visablewards ?

[Swan]

Considering there's different @dispel commands for Invisibility and concealment, probably best if there are two separate ones for Shadow Shield and Premonition.
@dispel premo & @dispel shshield, maybe?

[Desordre]

The spell description says "You are shrouded in a cloak of shadow that protects you with the following effects...."

That would suggest to me that you cannot remove the shadowy appearance of the spell, unless you were to modify it with some form of metamagic, in my opinion, or similar spell sculpting/spell crafting feat. Just as one cannot make the effects of another spell invisible or different in appearance without similar abilities, as per most d&d cannon.

[FinalHeaven]

The spell description says "You are shrouded in a cloak of shadow that protects you with the following effects...."

That would suggest to me that you cannot remove the shadowy appearance of the spell, unless you were to modify it with some form of metamagic, in my opinion, or similar spell sculpting/spell crafting feat. Just as one cannot make the effects of another spell invisible or different in appearance without similar abilities, as per most d&d cannon.

This isn't what is being asked.

Presently if you have a pile of wards on that includes things like invisibility and concealment, you can remove just the invisibility and concealment spells with a command, rather than all the spells you have up.

The OP is asking to be able to remove Shadow Shield without removing all of their other spells, similarly.

[Dhelindria]

The spell description says "You are shrouded in a cloak of shadow that protects you with the following effects...."

That would suggest to me that you cannot remove the shadowy appearance of the spell, unless you were to modify it with some form of metamagic, in my opinion, or similar spell sculpting/spell crafting feat. Just as one cannot make the effects of another spell invisible or different in appearance without similar abilities, as per most d&d cannon.

As I wrote above...

I'm not asking for the visual to be removed when the spell is active; I'm asking for a way to @dispel it altogether without having to @dispel all the other spells in effect - like what can be done with Invisibility / concealment.

[cooachlyfe]

I would ask if the same could be included for tensers too, a bit annoying to have to wait a bit or dispel all my spells in order to give out a knock or invisibility.

[ScalesofEquilibrium]

+1 to OP!

[Maffa]

well, at that point... if there were a selective way to dispel any specific spell without knocking them all...

[Derek Jeter]

I like this

If it looked less terrible I wouldnt care 

[ObsidianOrb]

In a setting where magic is feared, where magic users should be cautious, and face risks for being what they are, there should be a constant need to be cautious, some of the higher level spells have that element of consequence to them, which is an active change in appearance.

It's generous that we can cancel our own active spells, and its even more so that they included a way to cancel concealment, if more spells could be turned off by command, I think this would actually cause harm to the setting and concept of danger/consequence for those classes.

[BlankStare]

In a setting where magic is feared, where magic users should be cautious, and face risks for being what they are, there should be a constant need to be cautious, some of the higher level spells have that element of consequence to them, which is an active change in appearance.

It's generous that we can cancel our own active spells, and its even more so that they included a way to cancel concealment, if more spells could be turned off by command, I think this would actually cause harm to the setting and concept of danger/consequence for those classes.

You can already dispel Shadow Shield on command, with @dispel. If I am worried about my wizard being "spotted" as a mage, I can already get rid of the visual instantly. There is no real additional amelioration of risk by making it possible to dispel only the Shadow Shield, just a small convenience boost.

[DaloLorn]

In a setting where magic is feared, where magic users should be cautious, and face risks for being what they are, there should be a constant need to be cautious, some of the higher level spells have that element of consequence to them, which is an active change in appearance.

It's generous that we can cancel our own active spells, and its even more so that they included a way to cancel concealment, if more spells could be turned off by command, I think this would actually cause harm to the setting and concept of danger/consequence for those classes.

In PnP, you are able to dismiss any spell of your choosing as a standard action. I'm not aware of any changes made by the Ravenloft books that would invalidate that for PotM.

[Delita]

When I first learned that I can type @dispel invis and @dispel concealment I thought every single spell and effect can be dispelled by manually. I was devastated that I couldn't. I strongly agree that every spell that has permanent visual effect (lasting the entire time as the spell's duration) should and could be dispelled seperately I believe. This includes "vision of omniscient eye", "premonition", "shadow shield" and perhaps elemental weapon enchantments like flame, sonic, frost weapon etc.

I don't think it's related to immersion or challenge by the way. Like said before, @dispel can get rid of everything and you're free to see any consequences. They say there were times players in Balor shape took the caravans and ordered drinks in the bars, (lol) so seperately dispelling a visual effect wouldn't be a problem.

Let's Make

@dispel vision
@dispel premo
@dispel shadow
@dispel weapon

real!

[McNastea]

I think the fact that you can do so in pnp is reason enough to justify it, it's just a matter of a dev caring enough to implement it.

Personally I have the same misgivings as some in regards to what it means for a person to cast magic in certain settings but the fact of the matter is you can already, as pointed out, dispel everything including shadow shield.

I've always enjoyed the fact that only a select few spells actually show up visually. But ~ as it's already possible to dismiss any spells and there's a way to dismiss certain spells that have a noticeable effect in game I see no reason to not accept that shadow shield should be one of them.

It's very possible I'm wrong about this but I'd guess it comes down to a combination of oversight and lack of any particular dev feeling the need to make that happen which has prevented it from being implemented.

Again, I'm just guessing. I'm not a dev and there well could be a different take entirely on the matter.

[ObsidianOrb]

In a setting where magic is feared, where magic users should be cautious, and face risks for being what they are, there should be a constant need to be cautious, some of the higher level spells have that element of consequence to them, which is an active change in appearance.

It's generous that we can cancel our own active spells, and its even more so that they included a way to cancel concealment, if more spells could be turned off by command, I think this would actually cause harm to the setting and concept of danger/consequence for those classes.

You can already dispel Shadow Shield on command, with @dispel. If I am worried about my wizard being "spotted" as a mage, I can already get rid of the visual instantly. There is no real additional amelioration of risk by making it possible to dispel only the Shadow Shield, just a small convenience boost.

Yes, that's right, you can, but why is the @dispell command not convenient enough?

[Some Knight]

Yes, that's right, you can, but why is the @dispell command not convenient enough?

Because they wish to keep the other buffs (I.E. Bulls strength) without having to recast it, if they even have the slot to do so. It'd be just like the @dispel concealment command, just getting rid of active sparkly effects. So one can 'not ignore the NPCs' with their scary magic.

[Dhelindria]

Yes, that's right, you can, but why is the @dispell command not convenient enough?

For the same reason that people want a @backpack command when there's already another way to use one, or the same reason why people want faction mass un-storage to work when they've been doing just fine without it: quality of life improvements.