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ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« on: February 14, 2020, 11:25:07 AM »
a 5 or 10 at a time option would be nice

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2020, 01:34:12 PM »
a 5 or 10 at a time option would be nice

An easy solution would be that vendors that sell potions could also sell stacks of 5, in addition to stacks of 1.

Not sure if this is really a priority, but do you have a specific vendor in mind?
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2020, 02:32:33 PM »
Why not just make them sell a stack of bottles in addition to one bottle at a time? They could work like crafting container bags, except they hold potion bottles.

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2020, 08:48:01 PM »
Stacked items works really poorly with the crafting system alas. You would require to split your stack of vials and add them 1 at a time in the cauldron or lose the whole stack each time you use the cauldron. That would be mightily annoying.

A better option would be a crate item that could be used on containers. The item would be consumed on use but put 10 bottles in the target container (including a PC inventory or herbalism cauldron).

Although I question the need or validity to make herbalism any faster and easier to do than it already is.
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2020, 11:38:37 PM »
I don't think it's being asked to speed up herbalism further. I think it's just being asked for a way to buy more than a single bottle at a time. Buying bottles individually when you're crafting 50-100 potions at a time is rough. At least while crafting, you can RP. Buying the bottles is 10 minutes of click to buy, click to confirm buying, repeat.

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2020, 11:48:41 PM »
Stacked items works really poorly with the crafting system alas. You would require to split your stack of vials and add them 1 at a time in the cauldron or lose the whole stack each time you use the cauldron. That would be mightily annoying.

A better option would be a crate item that could be used on containers. The item would be consumed on use but put 10 bottles in the target container (including a PC inventory or herbalism cauldron).

Although I question the need or validity to make herbalism any faster and easier to do than it already is.

It might be easier to add a dialogue option to "buy supplies in bulk", then you pick what item you want, then the amount. Handle it all in a dialogue tree.

As for this making herbalism "faster and easier", it doesn't make hebalism easier in any way, and what's wrong with making it faster to buy bottles? It's not as if this makes the DCs any easier to hit, or the levels come any faster; gathering herbs has always been the longest part of the herbalism skill. This suggestion just removes an OOC headache of right clicking on the bottle and pressing "6" on your numberpad 100 times before a big brewing session. This makes crafting less tedious, more fun.
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2020, 03:02:12 AM »
I'd suggested this before, but a bundle item whose only use is to add 10 empty bottles to ones inventory on use is what I would go for. Turn 10 sets of clicks at a shop into one.

Seems weird for a shop to just sell individual bottles.

Herbalist Shop: How many bottles do you want?

Player: I need about a hundred.

Herbalist Shop: Okay, let's process each individual bottle as a separate transaction.

Player: ... Could I just buy them in bulk?

Herbalist Shop: No. You must pay for and receive each individual bottle one at a time. My register can't handle more than one potion being bought at a time.

Player: But your register can deal with buying my weapons for seven hundred or so fangs fine enough, what's wrong with a hundred fangs worth of bottles?

Herbalist Shop: Everything. Now are you going to buy them individually or are you going to leave?

Player: ... I'll buy them individually.

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2020, 03:54:14 AM »
The potionsellers potions are far to potent to be bought in a bunch

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2020, 08:15:03 AM »
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2020, 08:24:06 AM »
I'd suggested this before, but a bundle item whose only use is to add 10 empty bottles to ones inventory on use is what I would go for. Turn 10 sets of clicks at a shop into one.

Seems weird for a shop to just sell individual bottles.

Herbalist Shop: How many bottles do you want?

Player: I need about a hundred.

Herbalist Shop: Okay, let's process each individual bottle as a separate transaction.

Player: ... Could I just buy them in bulk?

Herbalist Shop: No. You must pay for and receive each individual bottle one at a time. My register can't handle more than one potion being bought at a time.

Player: But your register can deal with buying my weapons for seven hundred or so fangs fine enough, what's wrong with a hundred fangs worth of bottles?

Herbalist Shop: Everything. Now are you going to buy them individually or are you going to leave?

Player: ... I'll buy them individually.

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This perfectly describes how I feel every time I have to make potions or varnishes. Every. Time. And if there's people around the merchant trying to RP, you have to add the guilt you feel when spamming the chat with "THIS DUDE BOUGHT SOMETHING" 100 times.
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2020, 08:26:36 AM »
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2020, 08:54:37 AM »
Thereís a reason why theyíre sold individually because of how variables interact with stacks. This may have been fixed with EE so if someone feels like testing if items that are sold in stacks retain their variables when bought, split, stacked again, etc. that would be appreciated. Otherwise we can look into it eventually but no ETA.

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2020, 08:59:52 AM »
No interest in creating a "bundle" item that drops 10 bottles onto the target using the item's special power? (Crafting station, player, bag, etc.)

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2020, 09:03:02 AM »
No interest in creating a "bundle" item that drops 10 bottles onto the target using the item's special power? (Crafting station, player, bag, etc.)

Perhaps, if the other solution doesn't pan out. I encourage you do so some testing with variables and item stacks, see how they interact. It's very easy to do on your own in a module you create.

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2020, 03:02:40 PM »
it seems like non stackable would be the way to go with the crafting system just be able to buy 10 at a time

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2020, 04:33:08 PM »
it seems like non stackable would be the way to go with the crafting system just be able to buy 10 at a time

That can only be done if the items are stackable...

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2020, 04:57:22 PM »
how dose the script work? I assumed there was a way to get it to fire off 10 times so 10 items would be bought with one click and just put 10 individual bottles in your inventory. might not be that simple 

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2020, 05:49:36 PM »
A better option would be a crate item that could be used on containers. The item would be consumed on use but put 10 bottles in the target container (including a PC inventory or herbalism cauldron).

This sounds like an elegant and straightforward solution.

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2020, 06:10:36 PM »
I like the "box of potion bottles" idea and using it on the cauldron to dump a bunch of them in at once because it reflects on what players actually do, and will likely go down as the most convenient option.
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2020, 06:13:23 PM »
how dose the script work? I assumed there was a way to get it to fire off 10 times so 10 items would be bought with one click and just put 10 individual bottles in your inventory. might not be that simple

Itís indeed not that simple. Once again I encourage people to test stacks and variables. We wonít implement an alternative until the possibly better option hasnít been tested. Iím sure many of those who suggest changes are willing to take the time to test, otherwise as I said it will have to wait.

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2020, 06:20:29 PM »
I've seen on another server that there are stackable herbs, but their crafting system is probably very different to what we have. I didn't really check out the rest of their system so no idea if they had any potion bottles or whatever else was going on. In fact I think their crafting was done through dialogues.

I like the idea that boxes of potion bottles, 10 or 25, might even be found in loot tables periodically, in the appropriate locations...
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2020, 01:54:12 PM »
Afaik there is no Cauldron without a potion bottle vendor nearby. We could make the mere act of brewing subtract 12 GP from a character and make the animation one second longer to have the same time consumption with less carpal tunnel. Yellowtext: "You purchase supplies for 12 GP, fire the cauldron and begin brewing" -> Herbalism DC roll.

And maybe make it dispel invisibility so that the OCR of the nearby Herbalist Vendor does affect the action.
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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2020, 02:05:50 PM »
What about an item that's a 4x4 called 'Box of potion bottles.'  You use it on your inventory, it vanishes and ten potion bottles appear in the inventory, or the potion cauldron.  Much like a herbalist bag but working like that instead.  Would that even work though?

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2020, 02:25:52 PM »
Afaik there is no Cauldron without a potion bottle vendor nearby.

The MC vendor is not in the same tent, and in the Village of Barovia the vendor disappears at night.

Anyway, I don't see any downsides offered to MAB's bundle idea, which solves the specific problem the thread is aimed at without undue complication.

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Re: ability to buy more the one potion bottle
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2020, 02:47:06 PM »
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