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Grugach losing racial bonuses
« on: December 05, 2019, 06:51:34 PM »
I've noticed that upon releveling my Grugach (Oerth elves) His racial bonuses of +2 str and -2 cha have dissapeared. I've heard from others that this has also happened to them, i know not the cause but thought i would bring it up!

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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2019, 07:22:23 PM »
Grugash should get +2 Con/-2 Int on top of their regular elven modifiers.

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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2019, 10:34:39 PM »
That isn't their racial mods, they were supposed to get +2 str and -2 cha, thats what i had before and had for the longest time.

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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2019, 11:20:35 PM »
Seems like Wild Elf / Wood Elf confusion.

Wild Elves are +2 Dexterity, –2 Intelligence.

Wood Elves are +2 Strength, +2 Dexterity, –2 Intelligence, –2 Constitution.

As far as I can tell, Grugach are meant to be Wild Elves, not Wood Elves; so shouldn't have received +2 Str / -2 Cha.  Perhaps it's possible they were incorrectly marked and this was corrected?
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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2019, 09:14:55 AM »
That isn't their racial mods, they were supposed to get +2 str and -2 cha, thats what i had before and had for the longest time.

It might have been changed at some point though I can't remember when. Those are the 3E stats for wild elves of Greyhawk (grugach) from the Monster Manual, which weren't changed in 3.5 either (unlike Wood Elves, who lost their -2 Cha in 3.5, but we stick with the 3E version).

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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 12:59:29 PM »
My Grugach lost her STR as well she level 20 it really mess her build. Remake??

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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2019, 05:40:57 PM »
My sun elf that I made 7 years ago lost their racial ability scores as well.

Dex went from 14 to 12.
Con went from 14 to 16.

This really messes up things for me as well.
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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2019, 03:44:43 AM »
My sun elf that I made 7 years ago lost their racial ability scores as well.

Dex went from 14 to 12.
Con went from 14 to 16.

This really messes up things for me as well.

I'm not sure if this helps, but Sun Elf modifiers are for Intelligence, not Dexterity. It should be something in the vicinity of -2 DEX, +2 INT from the base elf package.

You would have had to do a relevel in one of the recent Hak updates so it's possible that you stumbled into one of the Dragon Disciple stat corruption bugs out there.
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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2019, 06:34:55 AM »
The sun elf thing would be true if I had picked the FR variant. I picked the one that is setting-less and that one has the usual +2 dex -2 con modifiers.
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Re: Grugach losing racial bonuses
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2019, 09:47:56 AM »
The sun elf thing would be true if I had picked the FR variant. I picked the one that is setting-less and that one has the usual +2 dex -2 con modifiers.

There's no setting-less variant of Sun Elf. There's only one possible way to pick it in the initial conversation and that's to pick it as a FR character. Sun Elves are exclusive to FR. Feel free to create a new character to check. And the FR variation gets +2 Int, -2 Con (hence why they lose -2 Dex here to negate the +2 given to elves).