Author Topic: Generational outlanders  (Read 227 times)

Iyer

  • Outlander
  • **
  • Posts: 62
Generational outlanders
« on: May 15, 2019, 01:20:28 PM »
So if two outlanders have a child, would that child be considered native? How many generations would it take, if at all?

Iridni Ren

  • Priestess of Pelor
  • The Wayfarer Kinship
  • Dark Power
  • ******
  • Posts: 2757
  • When all other lights go out
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 01:37:19 PM »
IMO depends on Domain and whether you mean socially versus legally.

Socially, locals might have varying standards. Reactions to Outlanders are based on things like behavior and appearance. Someone could always try to pass as a Native, regardless of birth or ancestry.

My windows cracked, but they can be replaced.
Your arm will tire throwing stones my way.

Arawn

  • CC, Developers, and
  • Dungeon Masters
  • Dark Power
  • *
  • Posts: 8388
  • Gwrandewch ar y cwn.
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 01:57:22 PM »
Yeah, that’s going to depend on a lot of factors, none of which can be easily defined OOC.
Hir yw'r dydd a hir yw'r nos, a hir yw aros Arawn.

Iyer

  • Outlander
  • **
  • Posts: 62
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 02:10:08 PM »
Well, here's an example. Say two people from Oerth have a child, and that child has another child from an outlander from say Ebberon or something. Now, if that child gets taken in by a coven of hallowed witches, would that child, being born in the core still not qualify for the class. This is all hypothetical curiosity by the way.

urathraviel

  • Developers
  • Dark Lord
  • *
  • Posts: 553
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2019, 02:45:00 PM »
In your example, no. As a native bloodline is what is required not naturalisation.

Hallowed Witch

.....

Hallowed Witches are descendants of the bloodlines of the original Thirteen Witches to whom the goddess Hala gave secret knowledge of the Weave. Through the careful study of magic both arcane and divine, they prepare themselves to be indoctrinated into the mysteries of the Weave by another Hallowed Witch. Their divine magic is always received from Hala, usually as clerical magic, but there are druidic worshippers of the Goddess and even some rangers reach the level of necessary proficiency to comprehend the first elements of the manipulation of the Weave itself.

...

Sources: Van Richten's Arsenal, Volume I

Arawn

  • CC, Developers, and
  • Dungeon Masters
  • Dark Power
  • *
  • Posts: 8388
  • Gwrandewch ar y cwn.
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2019, 03:41:43 PM »
Yeah, you have to apply a little common sense here.
Hir yw'r dydd a hir yw'r nos, a hir yw aros Arawn.

Iyer

  • Outlander
  • **
  • Posts: 62
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 04:50:09 PM »
No, I refuse to apply any common sense, but my curiosity is sated with the above excerpt. Thank you. The answer is too complicated and situational for an ooc answer like Arawn said. It is interesting none the less to question what makes one a native, with Ravenloft being so diverse from a constant flow of beings getting trapped in the mist.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 04:55:09 PM by Iyer »

BraveSirRobin

  • Professional Blue-Coat
  • Gendarmerie
  • Dark Lord
  • *
  • Posts: 598
  • "One's own thoughts are his only prison"
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2019, 05:13:31 PM »
That being said, if an Outlander Father and a Native Mother conceived a child, would the Native Mother's bloodline be enough to qualify for the class?

Iyer

  • Outlander
  • **
  • Posts: 62
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2019, 05:18:05 PM »
That's a great question. It sounds like a question best answered through rp.

Arawn

  • CC, Developers, and
  • Dungeon Masters
  • Dark Power
  • *
  • Posts: 8388
  • Gwrandewch ar y cwn.
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 05:18:10 PM »
That being said, if an Outlander Father and a Native Mother conceived a child, would the Native Mother's bloodline be enough to qualify for the class?

Obviously it would—do you think that all Halans are 100% descended from the original thirteen? Because uh... inbreeding.
Hir yw'r dydd a hir yw'r nos, a hir yw aros Arawn.

aprogressivist

  • Dark Power
  • ******
  • Posts: 4644
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 05:46:08 PM »
I think the gist here is, a Halan is meant to be a native; using the possibility of outlander ancestry as a way to import outlander culture, and therefore effectively play a Faerunian Halan or whatever, goes against the intent of the Prestige Class.
“Moral wounds have this peculiarity - they may be hidden, but they never close; always painful, always ready to bleed when touched, they remain fresh and open in the heart.”
― Alexandre Dumas, The Count of Monte Cristo

Nemesis 24

  • Society of the Erudite
  • Dark Lord
  • *****
  • Posts: 957
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2019, 07:14:34 PM »
I would not call the influx of outlanders anything resembling a large number comparative to overall population.  Thats a case of perspective bias, as who we see in game tends to make up our perspective of the overall population.  In truth, outlanders make up a tiny percentage of the population, they just tend to be the noisiest part of it.

BraveSirRobin

  • Professional Blue-Coat
  • Gendarmerie
  • Dark Lord
  • *
  • Posts: 598
  • "One's own thoughts are his only prison"
Re: Generational outlanders
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2019, 02:33:20 PM »
That being said, if an Outlander Father and a Native Mother conceived a child, would the Native Mother's bloodline be enough to qualify for the class?

Obviously it would—do you think that all Halans are 100% descended from the original thirteen? Because uh... inbreeding.

Inbreeding never stopped a Targaryean or a European Noble. Though, granted, it's usually from a slightly more diverse pool of genes.