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Faction storage
« on: February 01, 2017, 02:25:53 PM »
Someone said in Discord that the Red Vardo has faction storage.

Could the Wayfarer Kinship get some too?

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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 02:35:04 PM »
Yeah, I've been going a lot to the Wayfarer Kinship place lately and I noticed that they lacked a faction storage place, which most faction have already.

I was about to propose it!


EDIT : Discussion about this are on-going ;) 
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 03:25:26 PM by Iluvatar »
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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 05:52:06 PM »
I played in the faction for a long time, and was talking about both of these a while back with someone, and I still don't really like either idea. I don't think there's any real need for faction storage, the warehouse is four zones away.

The alchemy station is fine as it is, it's good for RP and if you've got some spare tools lying around. If you add in a vendor, the temptation to allow non-members and OOC friends to use it is going to be there, and I don't think I need to explain how that's a can of worms based on that basement layout. There are already two complete alchemy stations not far from Vallaki in either direction, one reached instantly by boat; it's not necessary.

Ultimately I'm wary of giving this faction unnecessary advantages over the average player, when it's easier to gain membership compared to some of the other factions.

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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2017, 06:19:11 PM »
II don't think there's any real need for faction storage, the warehouse is four zones away.

Does faction storage work exactly like warehouse storage except for cost?

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Ultimately I'm wary of giving this faction unnecessary advantages over the average player, when it's easier to gain membership compared to some of the other factions.

If not much gained by faction storage in the Kinship versus the Warehouse, then Kinship storage is not a big advantage over the average player.

But!!

If faction storage is an advantage and the Kinship is the easiest faction to join (is it?), then the average player can more likely get in the Kinship than join other factions. So if hard to join faction has storage and the Kinship doesn't, then the average player is at a disadvantage by the Kinship not to have storage.

IC it doesn't make sense that the Lodge is so large but nothing can be stored there.

If I wanted to make an argument against myself, I would say IC a Wayfarer should not accumulate so much she needs to store a lot of things. Should be giving excess away :)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 06:30:34 PM by Iridni Ren »

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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 07:12:01 PM »
Does faction storage work exactly like warehouse storage except for cost?

Yeah. Free storage is a pretty big advantage, and there's no need for it, because there's a warehouse not far and gold-making isn't a goal of the faction. It's a big lodge, but there's a lot of traffic, and the place needs to feed, clothe, and house a lot of people, like, dozens of people. It's not big for all that many people, I doubt there's too much room to share.

If faction storage is an advantage and the Kinship is the easiest faction to join (is it?), then the average player can more likely get in the Kinship than join other factions. So if hard to join faction has storage and the Kinship doesn't, then the average player is at a disadvantage by the Kinship not to have storage.

The point I'm making is different; that it's easier to get in the faction for the wrong reasons. Faction gear and perks are by nature an unfair advantage over a non-faction player, but there's an effort required to get them in the factions that have them. The difference is that those other factions have more active demands from the faction itself; the Wayfarer Kinship doesn't really ask anything except that you socialise with other people every now and then and don't go around just randomly killing people. There are things you have to do in those other factions to keep your membership and keep the equipment, and that's why the other factions are allowed to have them; there's a give and take. The more advantages you give an open faction, the more it's abused by people joining the faction just for those advantages, and the more it's unfair to players who have stricter demands on them.

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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 08:07:30 PM »
I don't think there's any real need for faction storage, the warehouse is four zones away.

The thing is, pretty much all faction already have a faction storage. If the reason is the warehouse is four zone away, I'd say let's remove the RVT faction storage, the Theatre de la Cathedral as well since the bank is one zone away from them in Port-à-Lucine, same for the Vallaki RVT. Pretty much every faction has its own Faction Storage  as it is right now, I do not see why the Wayfarer shouldn't have one as well.

Ultimately I'm wary of giving this faction unnecessary advantages over the average player, when it's easier to gain membership compared to some of the other factions.

I don't think it really is easier to join the Wayfarer than any other faction. Guards are pretty easy, Theatre de la Cathedral... I don't remember anyway being unable to join this faction, RVT sure you need to RP and it takes time, but in the end it's not that harder to join them. With a minimum of effort, you can join pretty much any faction easily.

And a Faction Storage isn't that much of advantage considering most faction already have one.

As for the alchemy station, I don't see how the current setup is good for RP. Actually, I've never seen that place IG since apparently non-member can't go downstairs, that's what my char was told and she goes there everyday. But the alchemy station is a bit touchy I'll admit it and perhaps not fully necessary, but personally, I'm not scared of having a vendor their. If someone people let non-member downstairs or OOC friend downstairs, they'll eventually get caught and they'll pay the price.

And in my opinion, every faction has their advantage in a certain way. The alchemy station is worth talking, but the faction storage with almost every faction already have goes without saying imo.
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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2017, 08:40:47 PM »
The Guard have storage because they have a huge citadel, and it comes with the added weight of not being able to do outlandish things, patrol, update a logbook, and stay within Vallaki and its surrounds. The Theatre has it because they have an extensive building and basement (though one building, still far larger than the Kinship lodge) and its supposed to be used for storing the numerous effects and costumes necessary for productions, as well as coming with the weight of having to attend rehearsals, write plays, perform them, all of that. The RVT have faction storage because their building is large (again, larger than the small lodge) and they're a merchant faction, with the goal of maximising profits; this also is weighted with IC obligations unlike the Wayfarer Kinship has. Joining these factions is maybe on par with joining the Wayfarer Kinship, but that's only half of my argument above, because these three you mentioned all require far more demanding things of the player over time to maintain membership, or have stipulations on the perks offered.

It just doesn't make sense to me that the Kinship lodge has any real room for it IC, with so many people relying on the building, and there's no faction direction reason that people need to store gear there, other than it being a convenience.

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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2017, 09:01:00 PM »
No real need for it, considering that Vallaki has the Warehouse storage for those needing it. The RVT and Garda by comparison need to have their stuff directly on hand; if you go to buy at the Vardo's shop, they need to be able to cart out their goods immediately. Plus, it's free of charge to store their things there, I believe. The Wayfarers meanwhile don't really have any immediate need for storing things and having immediate access to it; the only benefit to it I can see is giving them storage that has no cost attached to it, which is a purely mechanical benefit.

Even with that benefit, there's no real IC call for it. The premises they have is relatively small and intended as a lodge for various members to come and go as they need, borrowing a bed for a couple of nights while they're around. I think at this point there's so many members of the Wayfarers that if they all turned up at once, the building would be far too cramped. Having storage available for each of those members is well beyond reason.

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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2017, 09:02:17 PM »
To give an example of what Bastellus is talking about, I charge RVT members to use our faction storage and gear.  And it's a lot more than you'd pay to store an item at the bank or warehouse.  This is on top of the other requirements necessary to maintain membership.
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Re: Faction storage
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 09:24:40 PM »
Well... I'll admit you have very good point there Bastellus. Everything you said makes a lot of sense.

It just doesn't make sense to me that the Kinship lodge has any real room for it IC.
For that though, they do have two storage room downstairs. On is food by the look of it and the other one is filled with crate. And they do have some sort of storage room upstairs as well. Those room aren't used for anything right now except storage... three storage is something for a small place like this.

But overall... maybe having a faction storage there isn't a must. You haven't convinced me yet, but you do have good points and I'll think about it ;)
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