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Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« on: March 17, 2015, 01:51:47 PM »
I've always liked the robes of muted actions, robes of stasis, and robes of the transcendental thought. They do something none of the other caster robes do, they change how you cast low-level spells. It would be a good item for wizards as well as sorcerers, I'm wondering why the items are sorcerer only?

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2015, 09:07:06 AM »
Does automatic quicken spell work on wizards mechanically? Ive never taken the feat so I have no idea.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2015, 09:30:07 AM »
Does automatic quicken spell work on wizards mechanically? Ive never taken the feat so I have no idea.

QUicken metamagic is like your casting the spell under the effect of haste. but only for that spell so yes it would work with a wizard mechanically, Think of it  like.... they know a shorter group of words to cast the spell so instead of some long incantation or words like " by the power invested in me FIREBALL!" and oput comes the fire ball it would be like them just going "FIREBALL!!" and BOOM! there it is.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2015, 09:42:23 AM »
Another seldom thought of advantage of quicken spell, is that it gives you a greater control to assign spell slot. If you like to toss fireballs you could now use both your 3rd and 4th level spell slots.
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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2015, 09:55:21 AM »
in a wizard dual also, quickened spells cannot be countered either it's quiet handy in small ways. though I know a bug that seems ot happen is you can put the item on, prepaire the spell rest and then remove the robes and you still have the spells.

Errr... hang on thats the extend necklace bug... the robes are auto quicken lol

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 11:09:41 AM »
Hate to be a bugbear, but those robes don't give those kinds of metamagic. They give the Automatic Quicken/Still/Silent spell feats for level 1. so that just means that whilst wearing them. Any 1st level spell you cast will be quickened/still/silent. That's all. Though any extended/silent cantrips won't be as I understand (metamagic-ed spells form normal feats don't get automatic-metamagic-ed via those feats.)

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2015, 11:17:27 AM »
Hate to be a bugbear, but those robes don't give those kinds of metamagic. They give the Automatic Quicken/Still/Silent spell feats for level 1. so that just means that whilst wearing them. Any 1st level spell you cast will be quickened/still/silent. That's all. Though any extended/silent cantrips won't be as I understand (metamagic-ed spells form normal feats don't get automatic-metamagic-ed via those feats.)

Well hang on... it saiys its auto metamagic... and those are epic feats no? so it should effect a rang of spells like Cantrip through Blah... * goes and looks*

■Automatic quicken spell I: Quicken any level 0 - 3 spells.
■Automatic quicken spell II: Quicken any level 4 - 6 spells.
■Automatic quicken spell III: Quicken any level 7 - 9 spells.


So onl;y up to level 3 spells is quicken. or well... SHould be quickened.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2015, 11:18:17 AM »
What i was talking about before was  abug for the  necklace that gave extend metamagic feat

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2015, 11:29:53 AM »
I've used these robes alot on my Sorc, and they work for all level 0-3 spells (Metamagiced spells excluded), most notably it means you can cast a quickened fireball or a quickened haste if you're ever caught unwarded and need a sudden explosion or speed boost. They are very good, especially on lower levels. It is an Epic feat.

Also to note, most of the common wards you use are around lvls 1-3, so it is a timesaver when warding larger groups of people and you can save your haste for the actual battle.

I do think they should be made availible to wizards aswell, though.
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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2015, 11:57:54 AM »
I always wondered whether the silent spell feat actually mutes/ removes the audio (the spoken mumbo jumbo) when casting a spell?

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2015, 12:00:38 PM »
I always wondered whether the silent spell feat actually mutes/ removes the audio (the spoken mumbo jumbo) when casting a spell?

I don't believe it does since i played on a level 40 server and my druid had both auto still and silent and still had the spoken mumbo jumbo... I think... been half a year since i logged that toon on

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2015, 12:05:12 PM »
Silent/Still dont change the visuals of casting a spell at all as far as I've seen. You'll have to RP it yourself.
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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2015, 12:14:14 PM »
Balbina has Silent Spell, and spells cast with it make no sound.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2015, 12:16:33 PM »
Really? I stand corrected then. That's pretty cool though.
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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2015, 12:17:49 PM »
Silent spell actually removes the verbal component. I just logged in to double check, actually. I don't have the still spell feat, nor a still spell robe, so I can't test out if it  lets you just stand there and not move game-wise while you cast. If anyone has the still spell feat or robe, test it out real quick.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2015, 12:28:52 PM »
Alright, tested out still spell with a robe of stasis, it doesn't remove the movement component. But silent spell with the robe of muted actions does remove the sound from the spell.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2015, 02:38:42 PM »
I really want a robe of muted action now. They are all sorcerer only though, right? My current character unfortunately only has levels as a wizard.
To be honest, I think this server has too many class restrictions on items altogether. On most items that have them they are really not necessary.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2015, 02:49:12 PM »
I really want a robe of muted action now. They are all sorcerer only though, right? My current character unfortunately only has levels as a wizard.
To be honest, I think this server has too many class restrictions on items altogether. On most items that have them they are really not necessary.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2015, 02:58:05 PM »
But yeah the fact the robes are sorc restricted is rather, tedious.... maybe us Wizards can get a cool items like.... RObes of the dissapearing act. 15% change on hit to cast level 3 invisability at the cost of [insert skill here]  not saying these robes neet do truely be made but just some random idea that came to mind. or instead of invis make it 25% chance of putting the wearer under stoneskin that only has like umm.. whats the minimum stone skin... 20-50?

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2015, 03:04:13 PM »
I'm fairly certain if you made an armor/robe with on hit cast invis you'd invis the attacker and not yourself, not that there might not be a work around, and I could be wrong about that anyway
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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2015, 04:35:39 PM »
I'm fairly certain if you made an armor/robe with on hit cast invis you'd invis the attacker and not yourself, not that there might not be a work around, and I could be wrong about that anyway

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2015, 04:39:04 PM »
I'm fairly certain if you made an armor/robe with on hit cast invis you'd invis the attacker and not yourself, not that there might not be a work around, and I could be wrong about that anyway

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Well it was an idea... so then you change it and give it daze on hit... or blindness... ( or is that a mass spell?)

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2015, 04:41:38 PM »
But yeah the fact the robes are sorc restricted is rather, tedious.... maybe us Wizards can get a cool items like.... RObes of the dissapearing act. 15% change on hit to cast level 3 invisability at the cost of [insert skill here]  not saying these robes neet do truely be made but just some random idea that came to mind. or instead of invis make it 25% chance of putting the wearer under stoneskin that only has like umm.. whats the minimum stone skin... 20-50?

These are extremely overpowered and not feasible anyway. If you want to make suggestions for new items, as usual, I'd refer you to the Item Request Thread. Load the haks in a module in the toolset then toy with items to see the cost and what is feasible/not feasible. It's the best way to get items you want added.

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2015, 04:43:41 PM »
But yeah the fact the robes are sorc restricted is rather, tedious.... maybe us Wizards can get a cool items like.... RObes of the dissapearing act. 15% change on hit to cast level 3 invisability at the cost of [insert skill here]  not saying these robes neet do truely be made but just some random idea that came to mind. or instead of invis make it 25% chance of putting the wearer under stoneskin that only has like umm.. whats the minimum stone skin... 20-50?

These are extremely overpowered and not feasible anyway. If you want to make suggestions for new items, as usual, I'd refer you to the Item Request Thread. Load the haks in a module in the toolset then toy with items to see the cost and what is feasible/not feasible. It's the best way to get items you want added.

Not saying i want it added I was just giving idea...  Most the items i think of sound AWESOME...buuuut can never be made lol

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Re: Is there a reason why these robes are sorcerer only?
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2015, 06:18:22 PM »
Any answer to the original question? Is it something that can be changed? Or are they sorc only for a reason?