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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2014, 09:18:07 PM »
Purple Dragon knight was the class that basically gave party wide buffs right? Which would be pointless since... you know.. no parties.

Harper Scout just sounds op.

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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2014, 11:22:52 PM »
Harper Scout would not be OP however as the DMs have said it does not fit into the setting. Since we are playing a specific setting I wouldn't expect to see certain classes/prestige classes. And I for one like the idea of improvements being worked on for existing classes. Harper would be more for RP purposes than abilities really. As another player pointed out just RP you are from a type of organization/faith/etc if it is fitting for said character. Or form your own in game with other like minded players.
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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2014, 12:49:05 AM »
I'm having a hard time understanding why harper scouts would not be allowed just because they aren't from the core. I feel like that should mean that any cleric or pally that comes along should just become a fighter with less feats and ab and no spells. It's not like it's that big a deal, I just have a hard time understanding the reasoning. There could have at any point been a harper scout taken in to the mists who got the organization going again, and has been pointed out, I think the wayfarers are a pretty solid group to represent them anyway.
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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2014, 01:15:46 AM »
Harper Scout and Purple Dragon Knight are a PrC given to you by JOINING the organization, which requires a certain level your character must be at to obtain it. This would go for other classes like...

Ranger Knights [Greyhawk PrC]
Neverwinter Nine [Forgotten Realms PrC]
Deadgrim [Eberron PrC]

..and so on.  So it's understandable to leave those two PrCs out due to the requirements.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2014, 01:17:24 AM by Elfric »

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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2014, 01:30:54 AM »
These things do not exist 1) because they suck and are broken and features are not supported and 2) because they also violate our server rules to have them, essentially, you need to have joined these PRESTIGIOUS (remember, a prestige class is quite literally that, a class that has prestige, its a special, privileged thing) organization in the places from which they come from. Not just any person gets to join the Harpers, not just any person becomes a Purple Dragon Knight, or a Red Wizard of Thay, or any of those things. You don't get to do that, because, your level 2 character would have never of qualified for those organizations.

You were just some schmo down on his luck or just starting your adventuring career.

Basically, as its been stated, they're not appropriate, they're broken, and you couldn't have realistically had any sort of contact in a meaningful way to have ever been apart of these organizations.

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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2014, 02:13:21 AM »
Well, by D&D standards, a level 2 character is not exactly just starting their adventuring career.  There are plenty of viable background options for a level 2 character that has nothing to do with being poor sod down on his luck.  Or rather, the character may very well still be poor, but the chosen profession is not necessarily one of nothingness. 

But this does raise a question, does this mean that you have to be in an organization relevant to the other prestige classes?  I realize this is probably not the case but I'm curious now.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2014, 02:17:52 AM by FinalHeaven »



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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2014, 02:51:48 AM »
No, not every prestige class is like that. But anything belonging, very blatantly to some organization as something that is the prestigious training, and inside organization, yes. A Red Wizard, Harper Scout (which is based on the Harper Agent, they literally have a Harper X class for like 3840923089482 different concepts, even Harper Toaster), something belonging to a religious order such as Doomguide, or an Anchorite of the Mists, have their own blatant restrictions that essentially mean you have to have been successfully brought into an organization of some kind to qualify to have been trained or given access to their secret info.

A level 2 character isn't limited to just being some poor schmuck, but you're quite literally a beginner, having just doubled in level (a great start, but you're nowhere near what it takes to have had any super crazy adventures You never slew the dragon, you didn't kill the orc warlord - you were at best running through a field on a foggy night after having just stolen from the local Temple of Helm and wound up in a Hamlet you're unfamiliar with... and now you're somewhere you've never been before). Having one level in a base class has already marked him/her as being 'exceptional', they aren't a level 2 Commoner, or a level 2 Warrior, but Fighter, a Barbarian, a Wizard - but, a level 2 character, still is not getting access to these things.

A level 2 character is scrub, compared to the MLG pros who are finally capable of being trained into these organizations. Even for something like a Harper Agent/Scout, you have to get at least, 5 or 6 levels to even begin to get their training. A level 2 wizard will have not have had the prestige to have been trained as a Red Wizard of Thay, who has to have some considerable feat sink and development of their own skills. To claim to have been exposed to these things in any significant manner to have learned them is cheesing and beyond what a level 2 could know or understand.

That all said, once your character is in Ravenloft they could explore and learn and develop here. Which.. is sort of the point! You get to have the fun of making the story here, based on your cute little background that is humble and appropriate as per the rules we have provided. It's cool to aim high, but you're going to have to aim high from the base of Mount Ghakis, not Mount Waterdeep.

Also, what Blue said is the truth, we won't see these two prestige classes, and as it stands, while its easy enough to make a prestige class, its fairly time consuming, and with the devs who might do that focused on their own implementations of stuff, well, it's a big dream to add anything that would be appropriate because they're not paid in anything but love, hugs, and praise and are humans who have limitations, such as sleep and hunger and interest. beep boop

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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2014, 10:24:28 AM »
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Re: New Prestige classes
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2014, 10:58:41 AM »
Excellent, good to know about the organizations.

My comment regarding a level 2's background wasn't really in regards to prestige classes or prestigious organizations though, more that it is not nearly as low as it sometimes seems to be implied.  Being a Watchman, bounty hunter, treasure hunter, etc are all pretty valid backgrounds given the fact that some of these things are quite literally selectable background feats within the module.  It's not so much about slaying the dragon as clarifying that not everyone needs to start the game as a mud farmer.