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Hlot

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How many feats will character have?
« on: June 26, 2014, 01:19:07 PM »
Human paladin/dc on level 12. Seven levels of paladin then five levels of divine champion. How many feats total would that be?

This is how feat progress should look, afaik DC will get two extra fighter feats on DC levels 2 and 4:

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Level:    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20

Feats:    1   1   1   0   1   1   0   1   1   0   1    1   0    1    1    0   1    1    0    1

Would that be total 5 feats -1 multiclass +1 human +4 bonus(3,6,9,12) + 2dc(fighter) making it total 11?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 01:31:15 PM by Hlot »

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 02:32:39 PM »
Default NWN progression on 12 levels for a human:
6 feats

Level 1 - 7 as paladin:
2 feats, one on lvl 2 and one on lvl 5 (default extra feat progression for most classes).

Level 8 - 12 as divine champion:
5 feats, one for each level (same as fighter's extra feat progression).

That's a total of 13 feats.

I'm not 100% certain on divine champion's feat progression, but according to PnP, their feat progression should be like a fighter's.

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 03:22:10 PM »
Level 8 - 12 as divine champion:
5 feats, one for each level (same as fighter's extra feat progression).

I'm not 100% certain on divine champion's feat progression, but according to PnP, their feat progression should be like a fighter's.

According to this Divine Champion does not get feats as often as fighter:

http://www.nwnravenloft.com/forum/index.php?topic=16042.0

In vanilla NWN CoT was gaining fighter feat every two levels starting from level 2.

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 03:53:59 PM »
If that's the case, and divine champion still gets his usual bonus feats, then we have instead

Level 8-12 as divine champion:
2 feats from the PotM system for lvl 2 and 5, and 2 more from vanilla nwn for lvl 2 and 4, totalling 4.

So that's just one less, or 12 feats. If he doesn't get the vanilla feats, it's 10. Maybe someone that actually played the class here can tell which it is.

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 04:01:32 PM »
The Divine Champion's feat progression on PotM follows the same as the fighter's meaning 1 feat per level and 2 feats every 3rd level (for example 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18). With 10 levels in the PrC that's a total of 14 feats I believe, not including the class' own special feats.

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 04:20:10 PM »
Okay, so he follows the fighter feat progression. I believe that their progression usually shown as

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Level:    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20

Feats:    1   1   2   1   1   2   1   1   2   1   1   2   1   1   2   1   1   2   1   1

pertains to an overall feat progression for a character taking only fighter levels, so it includes the usual vanilla feats on levels 3, 6 and so on (lvl 1 feat being a vanilla one since PotM can't affect that one). So a fighter's actual bonus feats are:

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Level:    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20

Feats:    1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1

That should total 13.

Edit: Thought Bedelaire said something he didn't, so that's a bit verbose a response. Either way, it's better to think of the bonus class feats separate from the overall class level feats when calculating.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2014, 04:26:37 PM by Telkar »

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2014, 04:42:59 PM »
Oh wait, yes 13 as he can only go 10/10 split max. I was counting 10th, not 11th as the split point.

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2014, 04:54:14 PM »
Ah, you were saying what I thought initially. Seems I read it wrong the second time. :p

Edit: Or not...confused by the PrC's 10 lvl feat total and the 7/5 build mentioned at first.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2014, 05:00:11 PM by Telkar »

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 04:59:48 PM »
No no, my bad [doffs cap]. Counting from 10th would have made that 11 levels of feats, not 10 counting from 11. Confused yet? I know I am. Either way it's more feats than you even really need for some classes so there's no lack of choice.

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2014, 05:07:31 PM »
Ah yea. I get what you mean. So coincidentally, 10 levels of divine champion in a row starting on top of some other 10 levels yields 13 feats in total, just like the total feats of the paladin/dc build.  :)

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2014, 05:16:19 PM »
Thanks, my question then, how many of those DC feats would be "bonus fighter" feats, that are only related to weapons? Two or five?

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2014, 09:01:23 AM »
I've made a human fighter:

level 1 = 1 feat + 1 human extra feat + 1 weapon bonus feat

level 2 = 1 feat

Does the table posted count weapon bonus feats just as all feats? For example in vanilla NWN fighter gets "weapon bonus feat" on levels 1,2 and 4. Here as I see there is "weapon bonus feat" on level 1 but there is no on level 2, instead we get general feat(can't be bothered to level up to see higher levels).

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2014, 10:29:05 AM »
Or "Fighter bonus feat"? Like here: http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fighter_bonus_feats.

To my understanding, Fighter bonus feats are a subset of the General bonus feats. Did your 2nd level feat list include the General feats, excluding the Fighter feats?

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2014, 12:14:04 PM »
Second level had all general feats including fighter feats allowed for level 2. Roll a new fighter and just take level 2 instantly in OOC hall to see.
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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2014, 12:33:38 PM »
I don't want to enlarge my character list. If the 2nd lvl feat is general, then I think it's safe to assume that at least bonus levels 2, 5, 8, 11, 14 and 17 are general ones. Don't know more than that.

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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2014, 06:51:54 AM »
All right, so to clarify there are going to be 12 total feats on level 12(plus one extra from being human).
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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2014, 08:43:27 AM »
Isn't Divine champion here a 5 lvl Prc? meaning... no more than 5 lvls?
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Re: How many feats will character have?
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2014, 09:03:39 AM »
Indeed, but those five levels neck few extra feats still. On level 12 if you leveled 7Pal->5Dc you will have 12 feats opposed to 9 from pure paladin.