Author Topic: Organizations, establishments, institutions and societies present in Ravenloft  (Read 26892 times)

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I did not see the Erudite Society on there. Is it not a canon faction?

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He's the reason why there's rules in place for not taking NPCs out dungeoning. It's not so they can tank, it's because the NPCs level and then things get weird.
Yeah and then they start submitting DM apps. Thats when shit gets really werid.

Is that where Heretic came from? I always had my suspicion, he always seemed a bit too intimate with the setting.

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As On: The list is quite good.
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The way the Church of Nerull is represented on the server. Is seemingly close to how the Fifth heresy was represented.

Not canon.


EDIT: Also, would you people mind showing Badelaire some respect for doing this work? Make another thread for arguing over this rather insignificant problem.

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[Facepalm] I offer you proof of what's canon and Blue' deliberately making it fanon for the server.  Nerull Cult is a fanon bastardization of the in-canon cult.

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Guys, we all have different ideas on whats what. There might be a "de-facto", please keep it calm, and make it a little less personal.

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He's the reason why there's rules in place for not taking NPCs out dungeoning. It's not so they can tank, it's because the NPCs level and then things get weird.
Yeah and then they start submitting DM apps. Thats when shit gets really werid.

Is that where Heretic came from? I always had my suspicion, he always seemed a bit too intimate with the setting.
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[Facepalm] I offer you proof of what's canon and Blue' deliberately making it fanon for the server.  Nerull Cult is a fanon bastardization of the in-canon cult.

Is Domains of Dread considered Canon? Because they refer to the gundarakite deity as "Nerull".

EDIT: And I don't know why people make such a big deal about the DM Team making Emanuel higher than lvl 4. If he has a higher level here, I'm guessing that is for functionality purposes. Ravenloft is a setting that is designed for low level characters. Proof of that is that most DARKLORDS in this setting are under level 10. Yet this server is plagued with high level PCs either because they're dungeon grinders or because they've lived a lot. It makes sense to put the NPCs up to the level of the players, especially if they get involved in storylines.
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The two names are more or less interchangeable, IMO. Erlin is simply a bastardization of Nerull's name, which they introduced only because of White Wolf and Wizards of the Coast having a nasty break-up.

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[Facepalm] I offer you proof of what's canon and Blue' deliberately making it fanon for the server.  Nerull Cult is a fanon bastardization of the in-canon cult.

Is Domains of Dread considered Canon? Because they refer to the gundarakite deity as "Nerull".


You mean this....?

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The people of the domain of Gundarak once held a distorted version of Nerull (who they call Erlin) as their primary deity, though since that domain was conquered by Strahd of Barovia, they have begun to embrace the faith of a benevolent deity called the Morninglord instead.

Giving the Domain of Dread makes SEVEN domains related to Greyhawk, it more or less seems like fishing to mix it with traditional DnD campaigns and move it away from Gothic Horror.

Edit: So that's what this is all confusion about? Geeze...
which they introduced only because of White Wolf and Wizards of the Coast having a nasty break-up.

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The point is that calling the Nerull cult such in game when it was run by Gundaraks is technically an acultural slip-up. Jupiter and Zeus were two names for the same deity in the Greco-Roman pantheon, but Romans would call him Jupiter and Greeks would call him Zeus. Thus it's a little jarring when the Gundaraks call Nerull by that name instead of Erlin.
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How can this thread turn into Religion discussion and correctness of canon .. and which book .. or bible is the correct one ? By Jupiter's Co.. !

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This is a wonderful collection, Badelaire. Thank you for compiling this and the common sayings in your other thread.

Edit: You just had to make your name close to Baudelaire, didn't you?
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[Facepalm] I offer you proof of what's canon and Blue' deliberately making it fanon for the server.  Nerull Cult is a fanon bastardization of the in-canon cult.

Is Domains of Dread considered Canon? Because they refer to the gundarakite deity as "Nerull".

EDIT: And I don't know why people make such a big deal about the DM Team making Emanuel higher than lvl 4. If he has a higher level here, I'm guessing that is for functionality purposes. Ravenloft is a setting that is designed for low level characters. Proof of that is that most DARKLORDS in this setting are under level 10. Yet this server is plagued with high level PCs either because they're dungeon grinders or because they've lived a lot. It makes sense to put the NPCs up to the level of the players, especially if they get involved in storylines.

For being a server who want to keep close to the canon? Yes it is important.

You, yourself have a high level wizard right?

The Darklords will vary in level and power but the most powerful is also around 15-20. Of course there will be lower levelled dark lords when they are ghosts siting in a house or politicians siting on their rears in a chair!  :P

It is a bit like with Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Same god, diffrent names.

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This is a wonderful collection, Badelaire. Thank you for compiling this and the common sayings in your other thread.

I'll echo this. It's helped some noobs and older folks already! 
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Emanuel is level FOUR, not whatever high level Talek made him.
Dungeon grinder.

nearly spilled my drink  :lol:


also MAYBE just maybe it is a good idea to snap this topic into 2 parts.
1 with the info.
2 for the discussion.
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The discussion isn't even on topic, most of it has very little to do with the purpose of this thread.
It's just a seperate lore discussion. And the thread itself isn't in the right place to begin with either.

If people wish to reply, it should be limited to suggestions of organisations that are missing, period.


And I think the Erudite Society was originally player-created, but I am not sure about that at all.
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It was created by EO around the same time that Dementlieu came into being, to serve as a [censored] for [redacted].

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It was created by EO around the same time that Dementlieu came into being, to serve as a [censored] for [redacted].

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[Facepalm] I offer you proof of what's canon and Blue' deliberately making it fanon for the server.  Nerull Cult is a fanon bastardization of the in-canon cult.

Is Domains of Dread considered Canon? Because they refer to the gundarakite deity as "Nerull".

EDIT: And I don't know why people make such a big deal about the DM Team making Emanuel higher than lvl 4. If he has a higher level here, I'm guessing that is for functionality purposes. Ravenloft is a setting that is designed for low level characters. Proof of that is that most DARKLORDS in this setting are under level 10. Yet this server is plagued with high level PCs either because they're dungeon grinders or because they've lived a lot. It makes sense to put the NPCs up to the level of the players, especially if they get involved in storylines.
For being a server who want to keep close to the canon? Yes it is important.

You, yourself have a high level wizard right?

The Darklords will vary in level and power but the most powerful is also around 15-20. Of course there will be lower levelled dark lords when they are ghosts siting in a house or politicians siting on their rears in a chair!  :P

It is a bit like with Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Same god, diffrent names.

 I would also like to point out Strahd is, in canon, level 4 ftr/16 Necr. Now I don't know what he is on the server, but if Emanuel is at or beyond him in power... Then something must be done to drop him to normal levels.
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I always regarded there to be 2 types of canon. Source canon, the foundation on which a campaign, server or session is built on. The second is personal canon or, in the case of NWN, server canon. This is the events and history of an ongoing campaign that reflect the DM's direction and the resultant actions of the characters within. In Ravenloft, the PC's power is only as strong as his/her group.

If you tried taking on the adventures solo you'd die horribly and very quickly. High end characters were roughly level 12 which was on par with many of the dark lords although naturally they had the advantage of their powers within their domain over the player. If all NPC's were as their P&P counterparts then a great many current PC's on PotM could just breeze through them without a hint of a challenge. Canon is something to build on, not a crutch to keep hobbling on every time something new is created or altered.

The main point of this thread was to detail the world's protagonistic/antagonistic/indifferent groupings, places of learning both secret and open (because the world of Ravenloft is not all ignorance and fear as many might think) and flesh out a bit more detail to people's knowledge of the sorts of things out there in the setting.

I only added referable material and not groups created on the server. There is plenty of information on those in the player and supported factions threads, Wayfarer and Society of the Erudites being two such in-house creations. I mostly referred to the Gazeteers and some of the adventure modules and support supplements.

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About the Nerull/Erlin thing: it was always supposed to be Nerull, as established by Domains of Dread. When the Ravenloft setting was licensed to White Wolf, they were under the mistaken impression that they couldn't reference other D&D settings so they changed the names of deities such as Bane and Nerull (and even gave Soth a nickname ).  They later found out that this was unnecessary. We made the decision to stick with the original names because of this. We came up with the explanation that "Erlin" is a Balok mispronunciation of Nerull.

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Nerull? Erlin? Why is this such an arguement?

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Nerull? Erlin? Why is this such an arguement?

It shouldn't be, the original poster already added the organisation to the list many, many posts ago.

Organisations that have been made official lore on this specific server may as well be on the list anyhow.
This would include the Cult of Nerull / Erlin, as well as the Erudite Society, but there are no doubt more.