Question about slaughter domain

[Troukk]

Why does it get Greater Magic Fang? How could a cleric use that?

[Elfric]

Summon, gmf, hope the sumon isn't a dire badger.. again :<

[HoshaZilo]

According to the spell description it can only be used on animal companions, my only guess is that it's for Druid/Cleric  Crossbreeds

[Elfric]

According to the spell description it can only be used on animal companions, my only guess is that it's for Druid/Cleric  Crossbreeds

[Cough] Rangers get animal companions too.. The catch is, their companions are crummy since they can die and require rezing.

[Avatar6666]

Doesn't GMF work on elemental's as well??

[Feronius]

Doesn't GMF work on elemental's as well??

I have absolutely no idea, but guessing since it supposedly only works on animal companions I'd say probably not.
Pretty sure elementals fall under the same category as summons, since they use the same combat mechanics as those.
Think it doesn't work on familiars either, but I can't say I've seen rangers / druids combined with sorcerer / wizard levels before.

But if I had to make another guess it's that this domain is mainly designed towards clerics that multiclass into rangers.

[Badelaire]

Considering the domain's origins, makes sense that a cleric would likely have druid or ranger levels as well. Greater Magic Fang only works on animal companions and not summons or familiars. The information is in Gazetteer 4.

[HellsPanda]

In PnP Magic Fangs works on all natural weapons, and unarmed attacks. But NWN's way of doing stuff makes it less usefull. Because you change "weapons" when shapeshifting.

[APorg]

It's a real shame. Maybe the spell could be altered so if it targets a Summon creature it also enhances them?

[BahamutZ3RO]

It's a real shame. Maybe the spell could be altered so if it targets a Summon creature it also enhances them?

Even with that, I can't see wasting two spell slots on a summon. They don't last long enough, and they're not very practical in a dungeoning environment until you get to higher levels, at which point you're going to have/need people to buff who will do the job better.

[Geiger]

It could be made to apply to the player in the same way of divine favor - which will "follow" you when you transform - but it'd also need to be made castable on other targets. I don't know how it set it up so someone couldn't pull out their weapons, though.

[Troukk]

Or maybe make it simple and give slaughter clerics another spell from that spell-list?

For example, they could get expenditious retreat instead of greater magic fang.

I find it a cool spell for the concept of "chasing the prey" and whatnot...

[APorg]

Or maybe make it simple and give slaughter clerics another spell from that spell-list?

For example, they could get expenditious retreat instead of greater magic fang.

I find it a cool spell for the concept of "chasing the prey" and whatnot...

They already get Expeditious Retreat at level 1...

[Troukk]

Or maybe make it simple and give slaughter clerics another spell from that spell-list?

For example, they could get expenditious retreat instead of greater magic fang.

I find it a cool spell for the concept of "chasing the prey" and whatnot...

They already get Expeditious Retreat at level 1...

Only in PnP, not in PoTM, which is exactly why I suggested that spell in the first place.

[Elfric]

Do they get Tenser's Transformation? If not, then that over Extendous retreat. E-R is never used, even at starting levels and people just stock up on haste potions.

[Troukk]

Do they get Tenser's Transformation? If not, then that over Extendous retreat. E-R is never used, even at starting levels and people just stock up on haste potions.

Yeah, they get Tenser's, Fear and Greater Magic Fang. My suggestion is to switch Greater Magic Fang for Expenditious Retreat. I agree on your appreciation on haste potions, but it's a cool concept to "naturally" run fast to catch your prey.

[RedwizardD]

Do they get Tenser's Transformation? If not, then that over Extendous retreat. E-R is never used, even at starting levels and people just stock up on haste potions.

Hey! Expeditious Retreat can be a handy spell to have prepared if you have to travel and don't have a ton of slots for haste.

[Miuo]

Indeed!, Specially with no stat gear it is very easy for low str builds to become encumbered. And walking everywhere can be -INCREDIBLY- time consuming.  Expeditious Retreat helps greatly with getting from point A to point B much more quickly.

[Elfric]

...THen why not give them a single haste spell isntead? Did you know.. a barbarian might get lucky and outrun an ER cleric? The Wolf God does not find that acceptable [Even though you get to live when you reach the boarders of Verbrek IF you get there, after being "chosen" for ritual sacrifice]

[Bluebomber4evr]

...THen why not give them a single haste spell isntead? Did you know.. a barbarian might get lucky and outrun an ER cleric? The Wolf God does not find that acceptable [Even though you get to live when you reach the boarders of Verbrek IF you get there, after being "chosen" for ritual sacrifice]

Haste does a lot more than make you run fast, that's why.

[Troukk]

...THen why not give them a single haste spell isntead? Did you know.. a barbarian might get lucky and outrun an ER cleric? The Wolf God does not find that acceptable [Even though you get to live when you reach the boarders of Verbrek IF you get there, after being "chosen" for ritual sacrifice]

Haste does a lot more than make you run fast, that's why.

Agreed. Also Haste is not in the PnP Slaughter Domain Spell-list. But Expenditious Retreat is, and it would be cool to implement it in PoTM, replacing the currently useless "greater magic fang".

[Anonymoose]

Except Expeditious Retreat is faster than Haste so I don't see a Barbarian outrun an ER Cleric anytime soon.

[Troukk]

Except Expeditious Retreat is faster than Haste so I don't see a Barbarian outrun an ER Cleric anytime soon.

Exp Retreat and Haste make you just as fast.

Haste has other advantages though.

[Endlessorrow]

The PnP idea is for a wolf god "preist" to cast gmw on themselves when in hybrid or wolf form. The understanding in PnP being that only were wolves follow the wolf god or even know about him. the concept dose not translate to nwn mechanics though.

[Anonymoose]

You seem to be correct, my mistake.