Okay, then let's get this topic back on track. Why is a feint option a bad idea?
1) New ability that has to be scripted. The server has enough unique scripts as is.
2) Another ability given to one or two specific classes.
3) It would be opposed by a skill which the majority of classes do not have access too. Unless we bend things a little and make it opposed by Concentration.
4) It would be a one round ability in which the animation triggers, thus leaving the rogue flat footed for that one round and less attacks going out from your character. (Similar to taunt)
5) At first implementation this would be riddled with glitches and there are enough bugs that need to be fixed as is.
6) It would ultimately give rogues ONE extra sneak attack. You can get sneak attack enough ways already.
7) We have taunt which can nerf an opponents AC by a maximum of 6 points. That is pretty potent already and pretty 'rouge-ish'. What's more Han Solo than talking smack in a brawl?
This would probably require new feats and items and the server has enough of those already.
9) Very open to abuse and as Zhernebog pointed out already, the players can't be trusted with the catfish and monkey barrels, so why give them something else?
Now, why would it be a good idea?
1) Another option.
2) I've seen feint do some pretty devastating things in the hands of high charisma and strength based rogues in my Dungeons and Dragons games.
3) It would be something new and unique that has not been done on other servers.
4) It would make Improved Initiative even more useless than it already is. (Has anyone ever taken that feat in NWN history?)
I'm going to try and not be rude... okay can't do it.
yep sinking as low as to use an image macro.
Okay your first two reasons listed is basically random crap to be contrary, no offense but it's true. The server has added useless stuff I never see anyone use including Warding Gesture. So you reason of "It's another thing to add" is weak because that's just to say "I wouldn't want to be bothered with the work to add in a script". Which is funny cause i'm not even sure you would even be the one adding the script to the module, so what difference does the labor make to you?
The ability is a skill, so it's open to all classes (herp). Not only can rogue make use of this along with bard (who can sort of make use of this) but you have black guard and CoTs who can certainly also make use of this.
Concentration wouldn't make sense. At all. Also not everyone has access to the necessary charisma based skills to perform a feint. Spot is easily grabbed by plenty of classes, not to mention most people multiclass or cross class skills anyway. It's no secret that the warrior Meta for Ravenloft is Martial Class(Barb, rngr, fighter) 10/5 (Fighter or Barbarian)/5 Rogue. Rogue has access to spot, and most people do he 5 class dip here just to grab Tumble, and some skill points. They'll have more than enough for spot. Not only that, it now gives people a reason to bother with spot. Nobody usually bothers with spot because scrolls of invisibility or Potions which rogues have access to. So instead people just raise listen in order to detect them.
as for your 4, is this a problem? If anything this would be support for those against it because it nerfs the rogue flatout, altough Improved Combat Expertise may help the rogue in this situation regardless (Rogues grab this cause their tanks btw)
your five is another contrary one, you say this as if nothing is glitched/bugged. The risk of it having a bug is silly, bugs tend to get fixed when they cause problems (See Kettlefish Thread). NWN itself is buggy as hell so this doesn't mean anything and it's just to be contrary.
6...what? No. this gives rogue a round of sneaks in exchange for all but one of it's attacks...learn to DND man
7 Something else similar exists...okay hardly relevant but it's there. Taunt does something completely different and is more of the warriors version, or rather a tanks version. I would never let my typical two hander sit still to talk smack to an enemy. Also... Starwars?
Smiley face guy with sunglasses is not a number. also the reason again is just to be contrary and another way of writing your first reason.
9 Not gonna look up what Zherne nor will I criticize a buddy of mine too hard, but I will say you missed the point of the issue with the kettle fish completely, and i'm not bringing it up to get us further off topic. Also speaking of which you've quite a bit of nerve to talk about getting back on topic in a thread I started after further pushing it off topic when I had stated I wanted to get back on topic.
Your section of why it would be a good idea... please, just please...don't argue for those who want it it's not helping.
your 1 doesn't expand enough information on the importance of options in DND like I have stressed. Please don't use my arguemets/explanations unless you plan to give them the full detail they deserve.
your 2 is... ...what? LOL!? No one has said this at all, also no one feint rogues in Table Top, feint's better as a later level option hence a reason why it's good here cause in neverwinter you can expect to actually get beyond level 5. Most table tops don't play nearly as far levels as DND Video Games do.
3 Could be true, although I doubt it... I'm pretty sure it's used in PRC or Players Resource Consortium but I am unsure on that.
4
LOL WHAT!?what does initiative have anything t do with feint? Wait I know! Nothing! Bloody, nothing! not even a little bit, if anything this would give it more use because charisma based rogues will need this to complete with dex based rogue who will ultimately have better initiative than they ever will!
I mean wow dude... sorry for coming off as rude, but seriously. You ignore me when I want a thread back on track, then you come back wanting to put it back on track with mostly contrary nonsense or things that simply don't make sense. I mean shoot me for being rude but there you have it...
Like you actually took Fenlo's troll post about rogues casting 9th level spells seriously...like... I mean you did realize he was making fun of people who said rogue was OP right? I mean you realize that was a clever joke with a punch line provided, then you go and provide another punchline by actually believing it. At first I was annoyed by the fact that this thread got hijacked and turned into an "OMG DIS CLASS OP/NOT OP" thread but now i'm glad it did go up because this is
comedic gold.