Bard Spells

[Tycat]

*Thread Necromancy*

Ok. So like... This is why I had to remake Zidonne at one point - Bards require their modifier to be equal to their spell circle right?

meaning you need a 16-17 cha with a +3 modifier to cast 3rd level spells, 18-19 to cast 4th level, 20-21 for 5th, so on and so forth, right? See, i was educated on this and thus it had to reflect in the changes i made. Now i am happy and rocking the appropriate cha for the level of spells Zidonne is going to get, HOWEVER tonight I encountered a 16 cha bard casting 4th circle spells. Did something change?

You misunderstood. You need 13 to cast 3rd circle, 14 to cast 4th, etc.

Ok yeah so i was misinformed. When I first made him, i wasn't able to cast his 3rd level spells, and i was told that was because my CHA was too low, and that i had to have the modifier.  but here is what i think I am catching on to....

at level 10, Zidonne got his 4th level spells. He was able to use them right away without waiting until level 11. Does having the higher cha effect that?

For any spell caster its 10+spell level in stat to be able to cast that level spell. I know i find it odd that it is based on stat my self.

I am not sure i am expressing the question properly, or expressing what i was told it had to be or expressing how it is working and how that conflicts everything you're all saying. So i am going to be quiet, be happy it's working nicely for me, and no longer question it. Because I don't need any more confusion than I already have.

[BahamutZ3RO]

Might have been you were wearing something that gave 4th circle before you reached it... Iirc this actually works for some classes.

[Tycat]

Might have been you were wearing something that gave 4th circle before you reached it... Iirc this actually works for some classes.

Nope! I am careful not to mess with those things, as they cause lies.

[HellsPanda]

When bards first get access to a bew spell level. They get 0 slots in it. Which means you need a bonus spell slot. The most common source is from a high stat in your primary casting stat aka cha

[Tycat]

Ok. So bare with me here....

Donnie V.1 = 15 Cha (2 modifier), level 3 spells became available. Could not cast them. I asked someone why. I was told i would not be able to cast until the cha modifier was 3, aka, 16. I was told in order ot cast level 5 spells, i had to have a 20 cha. Now then....

Donnie V.2 = 19 Cha atm (4 modifier), Level 4 spells became available at level 10. I was able to use them right away with out items, as I was able to use my spells prior right away with out items or waiitng until the next level. IE, there was not 0 daily uses of spells, i went directly into being able to cast.

When bards first get access to a bew spell level. They get 0 slots in it. Which means you need a bonus spell slot. The most common source is from a high stat in your primary casting stat aka cha

According to what you're saying, it is because of the CHA yes? So what I was told wasn't entirely false, but not entirely the truth initially? Sorry for needing this dumbed down as usual. I can sometimes get confused by things when I have conflicting information, and math and I never have been on speaking terms.

[HellsPanda]

Bonus spell slots do not equal modifiers. But you get them from high cha

[Tycat]

Thanks, it's all started to be clear now.

[Colpoj]

Okay. So from level 1 to 20, for those that aren't sure.

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Lvl |   Spells a Bard -Knows-     |  The amount they can cast
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1   |    4,  -, -, -, -, -, -     |  2, -, -, -, -, -, -
2   |    5, 2, -, -, -, -, -      |  3, 0, -, -, -, -, -
3   |    5, 3, -, -, -, -, -      |  3, 1, -, -, -, -, -
4   |    5, 3, 2, -, -, -, -      |  3, 2, 0, -, -, -, -
5   |    5, 4, 3, -, -, -, -      |  3, 3, 1, -, -, -, -
6   |    5, 4, 3, -, -, -, -      |  3, 3, 2, -, -, -, -
7   |    5, 4, 4, 2, -, -, -      |  3, 3, 2, 0, -, -, -
8   |    5, 4, 4, 3, -, -, -      |  3, 3, 3, 1, -, -, -
9   |    5, 4, 4, 3, -, -, -      |  3, 3, 3, 2, -, -, -
10  |    5, 4, 4, 4, 2, -, -      |  3, 3, 3, 2, 0, -, -
11  |    5, 4, 4, 4, 3, -, -      |  3, 3, 3, 3, 1, -, -
12  |    5, 4, 4, 4, 3, -, -      |  3, 3, 3, 3, 2, -, -
13  |    5, 4, 4, 4, 4, 2, -      |  3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 0, -
14  |    5, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3, -      |  4, 3, 3, 3, 3, 1, -
15  |    5, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3, -      |  4, 4, 3, 3, 3, 2, -
16  |    5, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 2      |  4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 0
17  |    5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 4, 3      |  4, 4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 1 
18  |    5, 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 3      |  4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3, 2
19  |    5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 4, 4      |  4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3
20  |    5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 4      |  4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4
And for what Charisma does to the amount of spells you can cast a day..

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Score | Bonus per day by spellslot
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10-11 | 0, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -
12-13 | 0, 1, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -
14-15 | 0, 1, 1, -, -, -, -, -, -, -
16-17 | 0, 1, 1, 1, -, -, -, -, -, -
18-19 | 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, -, -, -, -, -
20-21 | 0, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, -, -, -, -
22-23 | 0, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, -, -, -
24-25 | 0, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, -, -
Of course this table continues but since I've not seen any attribute gear on the server yet, I don't see much reason to do so.

Hopefully this helps.

[BahamutZ3RO]

That is some sexy formatting, colpoj.

[Colpoj]

I try my best. *Happy smile*