DND and Guns

[dutchy]

exctly apro thats why i dislike the port ooc wise  tad to modern in my eyes but its cannon   thus i simply avoid the port as much as possible  there are so many other places to go and luckely flintlocks arnt allowed in barovia    doesnt mean you cant get shot  it does mean there can be actions taken against them.

also blue commonnnnnnnnnn   play nice

[Bluebomber4evr]

Uh, I am playing nice? I'm not getting defensive, but I dislike it when people make blanket statements like "this ruins D&D!" when it's not a universal thing at all.

[Dhark]

I agree that guns detract from the feel of D&D in a generic campaign, but enhance the feel of Ravenloft. People often think the setting is all about horror & fear, but forget about general "wierdness" that is the core & it islands.   Different culture levels laying slap bang next to each other.

One of my favorite characters from our old campaign was a pistoleer, I trawled the 2nd eddition player Option book for every advantage I could muster, he could fire 2 pistols in a single round, would score critical hits most of the time causing massive dammage.  I can still remeber he once notched up an impressive 130 points of dammage from a single shot.

Of course he couldn't dammage lycans, incorpreal undead, skeletons only took half dammage and so on.   The point of playing him wasn't his combat effectiveness (he was useless otherwise), but the fact that he reinforced what a strange world my companions had stumbled into.  More so the fact that this pinnacle of technology that could easily kill any one else in the party at range was completely ineffective against the terrors of the night.

[Dread]

1) Make a party of four DEX-based fighters using guns
2) Give them capes of the fire bath/hazlani rings of protection
3) Powerlevel them to about level 8-9
4) Kill all the primitives using backwards weaponry by all firing on one target at a time
5) ???
6) Profit

[airengale]

I also dislike something, which are false accusations.

And you really should stop assuming everyone must play the game the way you do.

I generally wont allow them.

Anyhow, I wont try to convince you that you were being defensive or not.

I've given my spew of my thoughts on this topic, so I won't derail it any further.

[Valiant_Destiny]

I think its an integral part of the Ravenloft Campaign setting.  It was under the title "new weapons", who doesnt like new weapons?  Pages 56 and 57 Ravenloft Campaign setting is all about guns, powder bombs and clocks.  

Actually id kinda like to see the "Parthian Rapier"  It was a rapier with a pistol attached to the hilt, on a successful hit you could fire the pistol as a free action.  

[Kendric98]

I have always thought they were fun In game but its funny how we can only have characters from the 1500's or earlyer and the flintlock was invented in the 1600.

[Badelaire]

I think 1650AD was the real world comparison cut off point. And anachronisms abound in fantasy, it's just one of those things.

[Aahz]

I think 1650AD was the real world comparison cut off point. And anachronisms abound in fantasy, it's just one of those things.

Also, Characters are allowed to have their origin be from the Eberron setting so Technically the 'tech limit' really does not exist. You just can't have any of the fancy post 1650ish tech on your person when you enter Ravenloft, successfully re-invent once you are in Ravenloft, and or play as a warforged.... things like that. Unless perhaps until a new domain is created by the Dark Powers based on Eberron.

[Jalthex]

The flintlock wasn't even the first of successful firearms in history anyway. Matchlock and Wheellock rifles and hand-cannons were in production during the 1500s. The snap matchlock was actually in use before the 1500s, even.

Just my two cents I guess.

[Bluebomber4evr]

I also dislike something, which are false accusations.

And you really should stop assuming everyone must play the game the way you do.

Guns don't contribute to DND.  They kill it and end it.

This is what I took issue with; it is not a statement of personal taste, but a statement of universal quality. No false accusations were made by me.

[Geiger]

I don't get why people are all poo-poo dilly over guns in DnD - they're done in the same way as every other ranged weapon and don't 'kill people in one shot' like they did in real life, like any missile weapon in DnD. (Unless its some broke ass low HD goblinoid.)

[Legion XXI]

I don't get why people are all poo-poo dilly over guns in DnD - they're done in the same way as every other ranged weapon and don't 'kill people in one shot' like they did in real life, like any missile weapon in DnD. (Unless its some broke ass low HD goblinoid.)

+1 

It's not like there is a small army of African children running through the streets with them.  I think that the people that dislike this simply dislike it because they KNOW they are out there somewhere,  rather than they actually see them all the time.  And I have not personally used a gun,  but I was told they are pretty combat ineffective vs the other ranged weapons.  Basically it is a fancy sling that you have to reload yourself?  But like I said,  never used one, so that is just what I have heard and not to be taken as fact.

[Sharauvyn]

I also dislike something, which are false accusations.

And you really should stop assuming everyone must play the game the way you do.

Guns don't contribute to DND.  They kill it and end it.

This is what I took issue with; it is not a statement of personal taste, but a statement of universal quality. No false accusations were made by me.

To Airengale:  I appreciate your coming to my defense.  I really do.  But it is true, I could have phrased some of the things I said to leave more room for contrary opinions.

To Blue:  I don't mean to intentionally close the door on other people's opinions.  While I admit that some parts of my posts might not seem that way, I did say in so many words in other places that I understand the limits of my own perceptions, and that I was done with the subject having got what I had to say "off my chest," as they say.  I do apologize for ruffling feathers with the way I phrased what I said.

Could we please all three of us let each other off the hook on this one?    (Not that either one of you were ever "on the hook" to begin with, with me.)

[EberronBruce]

I play Eberron characters and I have many source books on Eberron.

In that campaign magic is technology.  As I said before, they have airships and  a train system (the Lighting Rail). They have other things as well, like magical identifiction papers with pictures. Warforge, that is a whole ball of wax there. Dragonshards and their many uses.

It would be cool to have a land from Eberron, but I don't think it is cannon. Eberron was created after Ravenloft.

If you have any questions about the Eberron Setting, go ahead and ask. I know a great deal, and you can make some very interesting and unquiet characters that you wouldn't find in Forgotten Realms.

Example

Aerenal Elf, They worship their dead ancestors and preserve them. They use necromancy to to raise them as deathless (positive energy). So, a total different look at death than your typical Faerun elf.

[Bluebomber4evr]

I also dislike something, which are false accusations.

And you really should stop assuming everyone must play the game the way you do.

Guns don't contribute to DND.  They kill it and end it.

This is what I took issue with; it is not a statement of personal taste, but a statement of universal quality. No false accusations were made by me.

To Airengale:  I appreciate your coming to my defense.  I really do.  But it is true, I could have phrased some of the things I said to leave more room for contrary opinions.

To Blue:  I don't mean to intentionally close the door on other people's opinions.  While I admit that some parts of my posts might not seem that way, I did say in so many words in other places that I understand the limits of my own perceptions, and that I was done with the subject having got what I had to say "off my chest," as they say.  I do apologize for ruffling feathers with the way I phrased what I said.

Could we please all three of us let each other off the hook on this one?    (Not that either one of you were ever "on the hook" to begin with, with me.)

Yeah no worries.

[airengale]

I also dislike something, which are false accusations.

And you really should stop assuming everyone must play the game the way you do.

Guns don't contribute to DND.  They kill it and end it.

This is what I took issue with; it is not a statement of personal taste, but a statement of universal quality. No false accusations were made by me.

To Airengale:  I appreciate your coming to my defense.  I really do.  But it is true, I could have phrased some of the things I said to leave more room for contrary opinions.

To Blue:  I don't mean to intentionally close the door on other people's opinions.  While I admit that some parts of my posts might not seem that way, I did say in so many words in other places that I understand the limits of my own perceptions, and that I was done with the subject having got what I had to say "off my chest," as they say.  I do apologize for ruffling feathers with the way I phrased what I said.

Could we please all three of us let each other off the hook on this one?    (Not that either one of you were ever "on the hook" to begin with, with me.)

Sure, Hehe

[Norture]

I used to vehemently dislike the idea of guns in a fantasy setting. Then someone came and put out a proposal for RPing flintlocks and the whole process behind it, and I realized I was thinking about guns in a modern way. I never stopped to consider historic gunpowder use.

[Dark Locust]

Guns in fantasy settings can be pretty awesome, with the case of Eberron I wouldn't be surprised if they invented firearms which used magic instead of bullets.

[Juice]

I like having the guns in game and it all was got my heart racing when i would pass a garda with 10 pistols in my inventory praying he wouldnt search me. Also mad respect to DM Seraphim for the Dementaliusan war event.

[respawnaholic]

exctly apro thats why i dislike the port ooc wise  tad to modern in my eyes but its cannon   thus i simply avoid the port as much as possible  there are so many other places to go and luckely flintlocks arnt allowed in barovia    doesnt mean you cant get shot  it does mean there can be actions taken against them.

also blue commonnnnnnnnnn   play nice

Honestly Ravenloft has always struck me as sort of a patchwork quilt of conflicting homages to numerous horror settings. Its really best and safest if you look at the setting very obliquely otherwise it begins to make even less sence than a typical fantasy setting which has to have some kind of internal consistency with itself at least.

[Dread]

I love guns being in a fantasy setting. You know what I love more than guns? More guns. Pew pew pew! Also cannons! THOOM

[DM Erebus]

I love guns being in a fantasy setting. You know what I love more than guns? More guns. Pew pew pew! Also cannons! THOOM

 

[dutchy]

we need a deathstar

[Dobian]

I loved Arcanum because it was in a Victoiran setting and included steampunk technology, including guns, as well as magic.  You could make a tech character, a magic character, or a combination.

For fans of medieval history, I really enjoyed the novels "Pillars of the Earth" and "Name of the Rose".  Both are great and both are packed with historical details.  "Name of the Rose" especially was a totally engrossing read, really recommend it.