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Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« on: June 11, 2010, 01:36:25 PM »
In our server, the blackguard's "bull's strength" spell does not stack with regular castings of the spell.

I would like to ask why was it made it so? Was there concern for balancing issues?

Seeing as how limited -and mostly useless- the blackguard spell list in nwn is, I was wondering if this could be put up for discussion.
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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 01:57:17 PM »
Most obvious would be that it's not supposed to stack as per PnP rules...but then blackguards don't get as many spells as in PnP.

In my opinion, their bull's strength should stay as it is, but the strengthening of other aspects of the class could be discussed.

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 02:12:26 PM »
It doesn't make any sense for two castings of the same spell to stack.

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 06:37:58 PM »
It was broken, and a call for the ultimate bypass to make an incredible powerbuild combination with the Blackguard/Bard/Fighter - which can be justified Ic, but comon, we all know its just an excuse for insane (Perma) STR , with Insane AC, with Insane UMD and what more. ;)

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 07:06:02 PM »
Eo is my hero

[Frames that quote.]

In a similar line of thought, we also made other similar spells not stack with their regular version (thinking of the Harper's Eagle's).

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 07:46:27 PM »
and what more. ;)

Oh yes, I forgot, haste, Amplify, Divine Might/Shield etc etc, the build has no weakness with the stacking bulls ;)

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2010, 04:58:21 AM »
Yeah stacking blackguards bulls strength and regular bulls strength is quite odviously an oversight on the developers part. These are identicle spells they should not stack under any circumstances. It was a good move
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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2010, 06:50:55 AM »
(what do you need the fighter levels for?)
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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2010, 09:05:41 AM »
HPs, BaB and uhm... feats

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2010, 01:20:19 PM »
Seeing how im totaly nutral   >.> in this i vote we make the class more powerfull!
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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2010, 01:29:48 PM »
Actually, the power build was Blackguard/Barbarian/Bard!


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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2010, 01:53:24 PM »
Actually, the power build was Blackguard/Barbarian/Bard!

No, with that build you can't achieve the number of feats to get might/shield.

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2010, 02:08:57 PM »
I can't see which feats you're lacking... I think the higher bard song is a lot better than extra feats or +2 damage from specialisation. Barbarian for speed/rage I could understand but again, isn't bard song better? The only feats I see me missing at the end are feats relating to bard abilities (lingering song -which is debateable- and extra music which I miss).

You'd go bard 11/fighter 4/blackguard 5 for the four extra feats and 16hp more (the extra bab is only +1 total)? I always assumed the best to be bard 16/blackguard 4 but that can't happen in our server.

And here I was thinking I had studied this build in-depth.
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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2010, 11:38:20 AM »
Regarding the str spell it dosent seem to last very long is the duration the same on a BG as any other caster and based on level?

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2010, 11:54:25 AM »
Regarding the str spell it dosent seem to last very long is the duration the same on a BG as any other caster and based on level?

Yes.

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Re: Systems: Blackguard's bulls strength
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2010, 01:02:09 PM »
Either way it's still a formidable build, even without the +2-5 STR, and can still reach lolac, so I don't see why anyone would be complaining  :lol:
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