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Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« on: August 29, 2009, 12:45:20 PM »
This spell is way over powered.  It knocked about 100HP of stoneskin and regular HP off  our PCs in about thirty seconds.  This seems pretty ridiculous for a vampire sorceress to do that much damage that quick.  They're not Jezra lol. 


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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2009, 01:07:48 PM »
  The spell was actually more powerful before teh 1.69 patch.  It added all the damage and applied it in one shot, as opposed to individually like it does now.  It's damaging, but if you don't stand in it, it doesn't hurt you.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2009, 01:15:02 PM »
it's fine as it is.. just avoid it ;)

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2009, 02:52:57 PM »
The spells insane. My summon killed me with it like a week ago :)

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2009, 02:55:35 PM »
I enjoy it the way it is.
Just simply run for your life if it's near or under you.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2009, 03:07:30 PM »
My only complaint is that the vamp sorceresses seem to be able to cast it five or six times...  Though I guess it's a relatively low-level spell, and relatively avoidable (unlike some other level 4 spells).  I'd rather that than have them toss stoneskin on every vampire in the lair, or get spammed with fear...
« Last Edit: August 29, 2009, 04:47:34 PM by KoopaFanatic »

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2009, 04:29:15 PM »
I like old version better give back the old version !

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2009, 05:38:17 PM »
Hey before we complain about anthore spell for 12 pages!
Thiers this great thing called dispell perhaps you should use it!  :D

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2009, 07:18:51 AM »
As far as I know, Dispell does not work on Evards. Better luck next time, LJF.

However, as a spell, it DOES have a lot of counters.

1) Wizards/Sorcs/Bards can use Ghostly Visage and nullify a good deal of the damage.
2) Barbarians/Fighters/Rangers/Paladins have full BAB and decent Strength, which makes them more likely to save against it.
3) Rogues can use scrolls of Ghostly Visage
4) All Halflings and Gnomes are automatically immune for being teeny tiny anyway
5) Anyone can pick up a belt to reduce bludgeoning damage, further taking away from the spells effect

Remember that whilst it gains a lot of power if you Empower it, it's also a level 6 spell by then, and in league with Chain Lightning, Circle of Death, and Tensers Transformation, and IGMS to list but a few. Its raw form at level 10-ish is pretty damned feeble, all things considered.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2009, 08:46:01 AM »
Hey before we complain about anthore spell for 12 pages!
Thiers this great thing called dispell perhaps you should use it!  :D

Not to mention low level spell gust of wind which clears AoE's

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2009, 09:15:53 AM »
It's hard to avoid when it constantly trapped all 3 of us. 


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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2009, 09:59:52 AM »
Well in the words of john ferro: If it catches you then your not running fast enough!

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2009, 11:01:23 AM »
It's a Fortitude based save against the paralysis, and it's a Conjuration spell. In fact, it's one of the only spells in Conjuration that allows a save, which means very few people will have great DC's on it.

To be honest, it only has the same effect as Hold Person or Entangle and then a DoT AoE (LoL WoW) spell.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2009, 11:50:03 AM »
As far as I know, Dispell does not work on Evards. Better luck next time, LJF.

However, as a spell, it DOES have a lot of counters.

1) Wizards/Sorcs/Bards can use Ghostly Visage and nullify a good deal of the damage.
2) Barbarians/Fighters/Rangers/Paladins have full BAB and decent Strength, which makes them more likely to save against it.
3) Rogues can use scrolls of Ghostly Visage
4) All Halflings and Gnomes are automatically immune for being teeny tiny anyway
5) Anyone can pick up a belt to reduce bludgeoning damage, further taking away from the spells effect

Remember that whilst it gains a lot of power if you Empower it, it's also a level 6 spell by then, and in league with Chain Lightning, Circle of Death, and Tensers Transformation, and IGMS to list but a few. Its raw form at level 10-ish is pretty damned feeble, all things considered.

Are you sure Dispel doesnt work ? ... last time i try it dispel nicely. hmmm

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2009, 12:24:57 PM »
Huh, add dispel to the list, then. It's very very counterable, is the point.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2009, 03:51:44 PM »
*Werner hugs his Shadow Shield and his Fort save that is almost as high as his Will save.*

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2009, 08:29:25 PM »
It's a Fortitude based save against the paralysis, and it's a Conjuration spell. In fact, it's one of the only spells in Conjuration that allows a save, which means very few people will have great DC's on it.

To be honest, it only has the same effect as Hold Person or Entangle and then a DoT AoE (LoL WoW) spell.

You're forgetting druids have a lot of conjuration spells that have Dc's. Or am I off?

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2009, 05:55:47 PM »
It's a Fortitude based save against the paralysis, and it's a Conjuration spell. In fact, it's one of the only spells in Conjuration that allows a save, which means very few people will have great DC's on it.

To be honest, it only has the same effect as Hold Person or Entangle and then a DoT AoE (LoL WoW) spell.

You're forgetting druids have a lot of conjuration spells that have Dc's. Or am I off?

You're off in the fact that it's a fairly moot point since:

A) Druids don't get Evards, so to have both the decent Druid conjuration spells and Evards, you'll need to be a Multiclass Druid/(Sorc or Wiz), which is a rare build to say the least.

B) This will mean you need good Wisdom AND arcane casting stat, which means you'll suffer for not having a single great casting stat

C) If you multiclass Druid/Arcane, you'll not get enough Arcane Caster Levels to make Evards as powerful as it can be.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2009, 06:08:48 PM »
Druids get Stonehold which is a conjuration spell with a save, it is a level 6 spell.  I'm sure there are others but that's the one I use with my druids the most, preferring evocation school spells for offensive casting with druids over conjuration.





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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2009, 06:22:27 PM »
Druids get Stonehold which is a conjuration spell with a save, it is a level 6 spell.  I'm sure there are others but that's the one I use with my druids the most, preferring evocation school spells for offensive casting with druids over conjuration.

Yes, when you have empowered call lightning, every problem begins to look like a lightning rod...   :D

On the conjuration front, there's also vine mine (5) and grease (1), but most of the druid's big (offensive) spells are evocation and enchantment, with a fair smattering of transmutation.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2009, 04:58:19 AM »
Okay, let me rephrase, then.

There are very few ARCANE conjuration spells with saves, ignoring the Planar Binding group which only work on outsiders anyway, and hence very few people who are going to be casting Evards Black Tentacles are going to be doing so with focus in it.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2009, 01:33:02 PM »
Just wonder why this topic be under BUG reports anyways as it sure ain't a bug, more a discussion about game balance...yes?

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2009, 02:19:16 PM »
I am rarely afraid the spell when playing unuldor, he has VERY high points(not telling what they are) and so usually he can resist most of the spells.


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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2009, 03:12:53 PM »
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Potion of Freedom counters the Paralysis effect, allowing you to move out of the tentacles damage area.

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Re: Black Tentacle Spell Bug
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2009, 05:42:06 PM »
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