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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2009, 12:17:01 PM »

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Still not a big fan of this simply because, 1.  Folks ain't as secretive as they think they are anyway, and I can spot comparitive levels just by the way people ACT on top of that.  So it's really just not worth it.  2.  See #1.

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A character's level is directly correlated with the amount of hours spent, out of a 24 hour day, standing with the [crosses arms] emote outside of the Lady's Rest.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2009, 12:25:01 PM »

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Still not a big fan of this simply because, 1.  Folks ain't as secretive as they think they are anyway, and I can spot comparitive levels just by the way people ACT on top of that.  So it's really just not worth it.  2.  See #1.

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I use this formula:

A character's level is directly correlated with the amount of hours spent, out of a 24 hour day, standing with the [crosses arms] emote outside of the Lady's Rest.

Wait, don't forget your cloak and hood.  One must of course look proper for such things.  This is of course followed by the Feathered Hat thing, and the *sneer* or *rolls eyes* emotes.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2009, 04:44:46 PM »

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Still not a big fan of this simply because, 1.  Folks ain't as secretive as they think they are anyway, and I can spot comparitive levels just by the way people ACT on top of that.  So it's really just not worth it.  2.  See #1.

~Rex

I use this formula:

A character's level is directly correlated with the amount of hours spent, out of a 24 hour day, standing with the [crosses arms] emote outside of the Lady's Rest.

Wait, don't forget your cloak and hood.  One must of course look proper for such things.  This is of course followed by the Feathered Hat thing, and the *sneer* or *rolls eyes* emotes.

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Does pacing around calling people fools count?
Cause otherwise, everyone's favorite Falkovnian wizard would be like level 2.
Although it won't mean much soon, since he's likely to be dead.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2009, 07:07:26 PM »

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Still not a big fan of this simply because, 1.  Folks ain't as secretive as they think they are anyway, and I can spot comparitive levels just by the way people ACT on top of that.  So it's really just not worth it.  2.  See #1.

~Rex

I use this formula:

A character's level is directly correlated with the amount of hours spent, out of a 24 hour day, standing with the [crosses arms] emote outside of the Lady's Rest.

Wait, don't forget your cloak and hood.  One must of course look proper for such things.  This is of course followed by the Feathered Hat thing, and the *sneer* or *rolls eyes* emotes.

~Rex


Does pacing around calling people fools count?
Cause otherwise, everyone's favorite Falkovnian wizard would be like level 2.
Although it won't mean much soon, since he's likely to be dead.
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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2009, 05:33:25 AM »
NWNX is a third party (user made) utility to add increased functionality to the NWserver application. Since we didn't want to rely on it priorly, given that NWN itself was still itself being developed, we've not been using it. At this point though, it's not out of the question that we could change that, but it depends on a lot of factors.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2009, 01:22:36 AM »
Oh, I was thinking that NWNX was like LETO and Windows only, which is why you weren't using it.  I guess it's for anything (major) then?

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2009, 06:23:11 PM »
I agree with hiding the levels (and/or classes) off the login playerlist.

I would imagine it does in fact cause people to roleplay differently to you if they know how powerful (or weak) you are. They may not even be aware that they do it.

The only disadvantage I can think of is that it might take longer for you to find friends that are similiar to your class or level for adventure and roleplay.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2009, 11:05:53 PM »
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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2010, 02:07:43 PM »
*casts Animate Dead*

It seems like before this thread went dead the entire server was like OH YEAH LETS DO THIS and then nobody went through with it.  I just want to bring the issue back up because I feel it's a problem that should be addressed.
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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2010, 02:14:38 PM »
most people dont spend as much time watching the levels on the playerlist, and it was never said by Soren that it would be blocked. There are alot of other things that they should spend their time on instead

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2010, 03:18:46 PM »
That said, it can be done, I've seen it elsewhere, and it would help monsters with meta gamaing, so if ever the time presents itself, it seems a worthy persuit.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2010, 03:19:55 PM »
most people don't spend as much time watching the levels on the playerlist, and it was never said by Soren that it would be blocked. There are alot of other things that they should spend their time on instead

I don't think blocking the list would take several hours of scripting, I'll take a shot and say that this could be implemented in one day of work, maybe less if such script or some instruction would be available on the vault or whatever. I think this only enhances the ghotic feeling. I know we can't use OOC info, but this is automatic OOC knownledge, I won't use the information for my benefit, but there on the deep bottom of my mind I'll always know that such PC is this and that, so if I ever plan to face that PC in combat, of course I'll be prepared according to that PC characteristics(this is the exception to the rule of not using the knownledge). I know this is wrong, but don't deny people would do it, because they do. If I know PC "X" is a Wizard why would I prepare myself with spells better suited for a duel versus a fighter?

I even go as far and presume that some MPC bounce off and online to check if they possible prey is "Level what" and "class who".

I am all in favor of hiding this OOC knownledge.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2010, 03:28:27 PM »
By the way, this should be the next top 1# priority IMO. All for the good mysterious and macabre ghotic experience.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2010, 03:38:32 PM »
To be honest I don't see great changes coming in the overall game there. I am sure there would be more interesting things to do than this. My two cents, as usual not even worth that much either :)
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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2010, 03:59:59 PM »
To be honest I don't see great changes coming in the overall game there. I am sure there would be more interesting things to do than this. My two cents, as usual not even worth that much either :)

I agree, I there are lost more things you could to that would better enhance the atmosphere, being able to change cloak appearance for instance.
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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2010, 04:36:52 PM »
To be honest I don't see great changes coming in the overall game there. I am sure there would be more interesting things to do than this. My two cents, as usual not even worth that much either :)

I agree, I there are lost more things you could to that would better enhance the atmosphere, being able to change cloak appearance for instance.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2010, 04:52:32 PM »
There are two ways to do this. One is for every player to download an override which does it, obviously this option relies on player participation and individuals doing it on their own volition, if such an override was included in the Ravenloft downloads or incorporated into the custom GUI, I can't see it being too much effort, for an obvious reward. I don't think anyone can name any negatives to this being done, other than listing more important priorities, which isn't really an argument against something, more for doing other things first.

The other way as people have noted in this thread is NWNx, which is the linux server version, for some reason I believe it doesn't show the list by default, which as Taty is probably thinking of occurs on Escape from the Underdark: Archipelago, for example. The only issue with this would be that it would require changes on the server end, and I have no idea how complicated this would be for the admins to do.

Would it be possible for the Community Council or DM team to look into this and come back with a ruling or some guidance as to whether or not this is plausible?

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2010, 05:37:36 PM »
Right, perhaps it is not so important, gotta agree. Still I'd like to see this anytime soon.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #68 on: March 23, 2010, 03:42:12 AM »
I played on EfU (Escaped from the Underdark) for awhile, great server, had some really unique ideas and scripting.  As to the lack of login information of the player base, it led to much more interesting scenarios.  Really interesting dealing with other players when you've got no idea just what they are really capable of.  In game some of this would become pretty obvious with learning IC information, reputations for example, and if applied here on PotM it would also.  Especially with the heavilly established characters with more of a reputation. 

As to whether its worth it on PotM?  It would of been awesome back in the days when casters were being seriously persecuted.  Cut down on the MPCs getting meta'd because folk logging in notice they have a werewolf or bat portrait suddenly.  It would also tone down some of the PvP.  People are less willing to engage in crazy random (and possibly lethal) combat if they've got no idea just what they are facing.  Call it the "I don't know if I can pwn this guy or not" syndrome.  But the older people wouldn't see the real results of this kind of a system change for about three to six months.  Right now the established players already know just where everyone else sits, more or less; OOCly.  Newbie players just coming to the server would have a lot of interesting surprises, though.

Don't know for sure if I advocate it or not, since I don't know how much bother the changeover would be.  I'd say its probably worth it, long run.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #69 on: March 23, 2010, 04:18:20 AM »
Add this and the cloak alteration NPC to the list of things that would greatly improve the experience of the server.

Seems most everyone feels this will be a good thing, and those who disagree seem neutral.

I think it's a good idea.  But like few people tell me, it's not what I think really.

Perhaps a poll would be nice for things like this?
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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #70 on: March 23, 2010, 04:23:13 AM »
I'd personally love to see it, but the issue is that for proper implementation, it requires NWNx, something that we for security reasons likely won't install.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2010, 05:34:44 AM »
So what of the option to do the custom override, or possibly integrate it into the custom Ravenloft files at download, Zara? Do you know much about that possibility?

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #72 on: March 23, 2010, 05:37:16 AM »
So what of the option to do the custom override, or possibly integrate it into the custom Ravenloft files at download, Zara? Do you know much about that possibility?

The problem is that haks aren't loaded before after the player login screen, so it wouldn't affect that. We could stick it in to our override GUI, but that'll mean we'll sort of penalize those that install our GUI and it'll be very easy to circumvent too.

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #73 on: March 23, 2010, 08:04:47 AM »
Is it possible to add the Gui as a server hak?

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Re: Blocking the list at PC selection
« Reply #74 on: March 23, 2010, 09:06:35 AM »
Is it possible to add the Gui as a server hak?

Don't know, but maybe some people play on different servers, those servers may have their own GUI, or even, people may like the original GUI better.

This would only work(in an acceptance level) if we had the option of having the PotM GUI Hak and the Normal GUI Hak, both with the trickeries to hide player list details.