Corvin Aegerfeld: [brushes past Samuel]
Samuel Wrath: [sneers] Evening Tormite.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Ah, well, that brings up another set of interesting questions.
Samuel Wrath: Hmm?
Lilindi Redrinfess: You faith from Faerun seems to have brought conflicts with it, that the Lawgiver faith here may not have had if it was distinct.
Corvin Aegerfeld: Some people love to cling to the old ways. Don't you, master Samuel?
Samuel Wrath: Oh, I have no expectations the Tormites wouldn't eventually have brought up the old conflicts.
Lilindi Redrinfess: We're discussing religion, if you have anything meaningful to add.
Samuel Wrath: I am not the one who started our troubles Tormite
Corvin Aegerfeld: And I was unsurprised to learn of you and your people committing sacrifices.
Samuel Wrath: We have? And who have we sacrificed?
Corvin Aegerfeld: I think thats a good precursor, Sammy boy. But far be it from me to interrupt. Hmm, no dyes I needed after all. Good evening.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Probably a meat eater too.
Samuel Wrath: Always the fun with Tormites, accusations and nothing to back their accusations.
Lilindi Redrinfess: The tormites symbol is a clenched fist, correct?
Samuel Wrath: Yes... They serve a war deity.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Not something that inspires deep thinking, I imagine.
Samuel Wrath: No, they just cling to what they think is true, no matter how many times they have been proven wrong. They claim like us to serve Law, but their Law, supports rebel activity simply because they see a ruler as injust. They fail to realise that sometimes a ruler has to be harsh, to avoid anarchy and chaos. They live in a dreamworld, where everyone can be friends, where everyone is nice to each other
Lilindi Redrinfess: Structure is necessary to protect society, some change is necessary to avoid stagnation. Open rebellion causes more damage than good.
Samuel Wrath: Besides harsh rule is only necessary, when people decide to break the laws, and do so repeatedly.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Well, yes.
Samuel Wrath: As so many of us Outlanders do.
Lilindi Redrinfess: If they dealt with criminals more efficiently, someone like Thomas Ashford would never have had a chance to fall to the legions.
Samuel Wrath: Ah, Ashford, he used to be a good man, a good butler. Well, servant
Lilindi Redrinfess: Before the rapes and murders, possibly.
Samuel Wrath: When he worked for Grant, before his service to the city.
Lilindi Redrinfess: He should have been dealt with when they caught him.
Samuel Wrath: According to the Laws of the Lawgiver, he would have been burned, if not drawn and quartered.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Burning would have solved the problem.
Samuel Wrath: And buried in a properly warded graveyard, not a Morninglordian one, where the inmates escape daily.
Lilindi Redrinfess: I'm well aware of their problems in keeping the dead, dead.
Samuel Wrath: Good, I was starting to wonder if I was the only one to have noticed, that an undead hunting Faith, are completly lacking in efficiency in hunting the dead. Both of their temples I have visited have great problems with the Dead.
Lilindi Redrinfess: I've heard tales of darker things beneath, but my abailities aren't well suited to hunting undead.
Samuel Wrath: In the Village, they allow Baatezu to walk the lower crypts.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Baatezu?
Samuel Wrath: A breed of Fiend, slightly more trustworthy than their Tana'ri cousins, but completly vile.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Ah. And these walk in the crypts?
Samuel Wrath: Beyond a secret door, yes. They seem to be building an army.
Lilindi Redrinfess: The sun cult?
Samuel Wrath: The Baatezu, I don't know if they are allied with the Sun Cult.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Ah. I was just thinking, a rebel supporting cult with an army of fiends that close to the castle is bad for the Count.
Samuel Wrath: It would be, yes, but the Lawgivers and the Vardo are keeping an eye on it, among others.
Lilindi Redrinfess: I may have to go there after all. I've only read sparce reports on what's there.
Samuel Wrath: Bring people you trust, Baatezu are dangerous
Lilindi Redrinfess: That could be difficult, then.
Samuel Wrath: Why? Your fellow faithfull not trustworthy?
Lilindi Redrinfess: I can't trust anyone that feels letting someone die then bringing them back, is protecting them.
Samuel Wrath: Sometimes that is the only option... And who let who die?
Lilindi Redrinfess: Sometimes, that may be, but when they use it as /their/ only option, always sacrificing and endangering others to keep themself safe...
Samuel Wrath: Sounds like a lack of self confidence.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Nell and Vasten left me to die, after I saved them both. Vasten as a templar, and Nell as a warden, it was their role to save me, not the other way around.
Samuel Wrath: Well, Nell has no heart for a fight, and Vasten has always been abit lacking in courage.
Lilindi Redrinfess: They are supposed to die to protect the faithful, not leave them to die to protect themselves.
Samuel Wrath: Seems to be abit lacking in structure.
Lilindi Redrinfess: For that, they made Vasten head templar.
Samuel Wrath: The Ezrites reward cowardice?
Lilindi Redrinfess: Apparently. I left the church right after his ceremony.
Samuel Wrath: Hmmm, seems the Ezrite church... lacks a certain something.
Lilindi Redrinfess: It has since the toret went missing.
Samuel Wrath: So Deneve has left Barovia.
Lilindi Redrinfess: She's lost in the mists. Somewhere.
Samuel Wrath: So what are the Ezrites doing now then? Drifting aimlessly?
Lilindi Redrinfess: I'm not sure. I think the warden is in charge of everything now.
Samuel Wrath: So Ward, a bleeding heart, leads one of the strongest churches within Barovia? she doesn't have the temperament needed. Must be why Logan quit as a templar.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Yes.
Samuel Wrath: And his wife no longer wears the colours.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Not at all?
Samuel Wrath: I have only seen her in red.
Lilindi Redrinfess: I've seen her in the red, but I though it was because she wasn't on church duties at the time.
Samuel Wrath: Well I do not know much of the Ezrite church.
Lilindi Redrinfess: You said that earlier, but you seem to know a fair bit about most things.
Samuel Wrath: I am Vardo, I do get a certain level of intelligence about everything.
Lilindi Redrinfess: You would have more about the ezrite church if someone smarter had been sent to get it.
Samuel Wrath: Hmmm?
Lilindi Redrinfess: Oh, not important, I guess. He was sufficiently humiliated.
Samuel Wrath: What happened then?
Lilindi Redrinfess: Ah... Hmm... I can't even remember his name. One of the vardo Stela had introduced me to came to the cathedral to see me.
Samuel Wrath: Well the Vardo are allowed to go see who they want.
Lilindi Redrinfess: He made a little small talk, tried some non-sensical compliments about me being radiant and beautiful, then asked to know everything I knew about the vardo, and investigations related to them.
Samuel Wrath: .... He tried to flirt poorly and then pump you for information?
Lilindi Redrinfess: Yes.
Samuel Wrath: Not even buying you dinner? I would hope we trained our people better than that.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Oh, he offered first, but asked even after I said no.
Samuel Wrath: Well he should have taken more time.
Lilindi Redrinfess: I suggested he try getting me drunk first next time.
Samuel Wrath: True, he could have tried buying drinks...
Lilindi Redrinfess: Not that I can get drunk, but he should have tried.
Samuel Wrath: Hmmm, sounds like Vich, but he wouldn't dare talk with anyone.
Lilindi Redrinfess: No, that doesn't sound right.
Samuel Wrath: Vich has absolutly no social skills.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Well, that part is true.
Samuel Wrath: I mean, he wouldn't have tried complimenting you at all, he would just go right for the information. Well its not important.
Lilindi Redrinfess: No, it's not.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Sivius seems to dislike you as well. Is that an old grudge?
Samuel Wrath: Yes, he blames my organisation, for things that are not our fault.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Ah, so that's busines related, and not religious, then?
Samuel Wrath: well he is a Tempite, all fights are religious.
Soren Nexus : ..Ohmygodit'sSamuel...in Degannwy.
Lilindi Redrinfess: So he made it a religious issue, to justify his actions?
Samuel Wrath: Good day Soren.
Samuel Wrath: Siv worships a god of battle.
Soren Nexus : I haven't forgiven you for nearly getting me arrested you know
Samuel Wrath: That was Stela.
Soren Nexus : You helped.
Samuel Wrath: [shrugs] You made it too easy for us Soren.
Lilindi Redrinfess: What did you do?
Soren Nexus : What did I do?
Lilindi Redrinfess: You must have done something, if he could get you arrested.
Soren Nexus : This [imitates a light smack to the back of the head] to stela, and she got all indignant about it like some adolescent.
Samuel Wrath: Come now, we where just playing with you.
Soren Nexus : Then, in accordance with my luck, a guard comes in..
Lilindi Redrinfess: You assaulted a native in front of witnesses?
Samuel Wrath: Not our fault the Garda came in.
Soren Nexus : Uh huh.."assault". [rolls eyes]
Lilindi Redrinfess: *shakes her head and turns away*
Samuel Wrath: You need to learn to talk faster Soren.
Soren Nexus : [shrugs]
Samuel Wrath: Can get you out of alot of trouble.
Soren Nexus : What was I going to do, try to deny it?
Soren Nexus : I think a Vardo local woman would have more say over an outlander any day.
Samuel Wrath: True, but maybe not slap Stela on the back of the head, just before a garda comes in then. Behave like the gentleman your supposed to be. You know the hero you dress like.
Soren Nexus : She's a brat. [shrugs] No regrets.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Would you have regretted it if the guard had removed the offending hand?
Soren Nexus : Maybe a bit.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Ah... We're discussing religion, if you want to join in.
Soren Nexus : Discussions like that end nowhere, especially between an Ezrite and a Banite. Actually, depends on which sect of Ezra.
Samuel Wrath: Oh, you would be surprised Soren. We agree that Nell Ward would make an ineffectual leader, and she sees my points regarding the Morninglordian's deader problems.
Soren Nexus : I also agree, despite the degree of esteem in which I hold her. Nice person, doesn't mean good leader.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Well, you would, she acts more like a morninglordian, after all.
Soren Nexus : Is that a bad thing? [raises brow]
Lilindi Redrinfess: It is, when you endanger the people of your own faith by doing it.
Samuel Wrath: Morninglordians, lack structure. They lack cohesion.
Soren Nexus : Caring, generous, kind, helpful..the list goes on
Lilindi Redrinfess: Murderous, traitorous... Undead hugging.
Soren Nexus : [frowns] I don't think you know the Morninglord's dogma, miss. The undead -are- their enemies.
Samuel Wrath: We know their dogma, and we know what they do.
Lilindi Redrinfess: I don't think the current faithful do either.
Samuel Wrath: Isn't it strange that a faith that claims to be great undead hunters, have such ineffectual wards against the dead, in their graveyards.
Soren Nexus : I still feel the Morninglordians are an asset to Barovia, despite shortcomings.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Sure, where else would people go to fight undead without them.
Soren Nexus : I'd like to see you try and go against something Carmac wanted.
Samuel Wrath: I would, and I would remove him permanantly.
Soren Nexus : Where else would people seek shelter and food in the winter, without them?
Samuel Wrath: They could actually work for it.
Lilindi Redrinfess: They could get jobs.
Soren Nexus : You know why the two morninglordian structures are shabby? All the money the get, they donate.
Samuel Wrath: [laughs]
Soren Nexus : The Ezrites could -buy- the slums.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Hardly.
Samuel Wrath: They use all their money at us. They are our best customers, Soren
Soren Nexus : Good for you, that just says they still have a lot of money.
Samuel Wrath: So to say they spend all their money on the poor is a lie.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Do you know how much work it took to raise the money to get the rectory built?
Soren Nexus : Enough to rebuild most of the slums
Samuel Wrath: And constantly feeding the poor does not help them. In the long run it does more damage, than help.
Lilindi Redrinfess: How many outlanders are raised daily?
Soren Nexus : You'd let them starve?
Samuel Wrath: Makes it so they don't think they need to work. I would force them to do something about it.
Lilindi Redrinfess: How many thousands, and tens of thousands of fangs are collected, every single day?
Soren Nexus : I don't know the figure, but it's high.
Lilindi Redrinfess: You think that doesn't go directly into some priests account?
Soren Nexus : I do. Pardon me if I have faith in others, miss.
Samuel Wrath: You are Naive, Soren, all you Silverymoon people are naive. You think people will always do the best for everyone
Lilindi Redrinfess: I'd guess the slums temple gives away, at most, two hundred fangs worth of food a day.
Soren Nexus : I have to ask, what's your purpose, to change my mind?
Lilindi Redrinfess: No, to see what your views are, and if you truly believe in them.
Soren Nexus : I do.
Samuel Wrath: I am hoping you might one day see a better path.
Soren Nexus : Better's a matter of perspective, I see myself as on the best. But, of course, we all do.
Samuel Wrath: Drifting aimlessly?
Soren Nexus : Which is exactly why arguing about it is useless.
Samuel Wrath: well I should get back to my current job, I got a Morninglordian who might want a greatsword.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Ah, well. Ezra bless, and thank you for your time, Samuel.
Soren Nexus : Then make him one, so he can put it to good use.
Samuel Wrath: I am always willing to discuss faith Lili.
Samuel Wrath: Its for Cain.
Soren Nexus : Ana?
Samuel Wrath: Ana Cain.
Soren Nexus : [nods]
Lilindi Redrinfess: I thought their weapon was the spear?
Soren Nexus : I thought the Ezrites weapon was the longsword, yet few use it.
Samuel Wrath: So is ours, but not everyone prefers it.
Lilindi Redrinfess: It seems strange not abiding by your vows, and using the weapon of your god.
Samuel Wrath: We Lawgivers use the weapon we are best at, anything else would be a diservice to our master.
Samuel Wrath: Well have a good day.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Safe travels.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Well, if you want to discuss the more pleasant aspects of your faith, you could start with the morninglord's dogma.
Soren Nexus : Let me guess, you're of the same sect as Deneve?
Lilindi Redrinfess: Of course.
Soren Nexus : [nods] Explains a lot.
Soren Nexus : My faith, miss? If there's a shred of salmon on me, then point it out.
Soren Nexus : The Morninglordians are, and always will be, despite any mistakes they make as mortals do, my friends.
Lilindi Redrinfess: What god do you serve, then?
Soren Nexus : I don't serve any god, but I ally myself with the morninglord. Our goals are similiar, and he aids me in accomplishing them.
Lilindi Redrinfess: I was under the impression you were a priest of some sort, or a holy warrior.
Soren Nexus : I'm a paladin, yes. A knight with divine aid.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Who do you pray to?
Soren Nexus : More often than not, the Morninglord, though sometimes I include some others in there.
Lilindi Redrinfess: ...
Soren Nexus : I used to be a stout Morninglordian, but I left the order.
Lilindi Redrinfess: You just.... pray to random gods?
Soren Nexus : What do you define as random?
Lilindi Redrinfess: A god other than your own.
Soren Nexus : I pray to the gods of good.
Lilindi Redrinfess: ...
Soren Nexus : I'm sorry if good is such a backwards concept for you, But it's quite right to me.
Lilindi Redrinfess: You pray to whatever god you feel like that day?
Soren Nexus : No. As I said, mostly the Morninglordian, although sometimes I make the distinction with using Lathander.
Lilindi Redrinfess: Strange.
Soren Nexus : Mmhm. But it suits me.
Lilindi Redrinfess: I need to rest. Pray to my sole god.