Hmm, how about adding more MPC types or adding more features for MPCs to use?
Edit: Wow, 40 votes already. It's probably too late to add another option.
Lich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
Just a heads up for those that do not build in NWN, adding clothing, heads and the like is done with a hak- it is a very easy thing to do, because you add the hak, and it is in. With the current adjust the look of clothing rest menu system- any new clothing will show up with it. The same for heads, although it will only be the head changers where this is done. Voting for this option is a cop out- most of the content is out there now, and once added (a 3 minute process) is in game. The point is, additional hak content is easy to add, take very little time, and doesn't really qualify as development. Also most of the existing non CEP clothing haks are already CEP friendly- meaning there is little change that needs to happen to the hak itself.
If i could vote a fourth i would also vote for more MPC races.. there are more out there and they can be fun to play. ( not asking for anything OP like a lich) but who wouldn't want to play as a hag or a darkling? or um.. ( * tries to think of something monstorus* Ogre maybe?
Would be nice to get the heads iv been using as a overide in finally, so i can stop having to override and try to get people to download such :3
Lich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
Would be nice to get the heads iv been using as a overide in finally, so i can stop having to override and try to get people to download such :3
this. Because I like it when we can all see the same thing.
Lich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
Why not do some sort of lesser lich for the sake of gameplay? A caster who isn't quite powerful enough to give themself the full capacity of powers, but, managed to store their soul in a phylactery? As a monster they could be about trying to find knowledge and pushing their transformation. It would fit in with the setting because the failure in becoming a full lich would become drive to keep being evil, a person's own desires becomes their damnation.
I would love to see a way to move a subdued individual, much like picking up a corpse. This way players wouldn't have to resort to killing in order to kidnap another character.
I imagine there would need to be a save made every now and then for regaining consciousness where upon the body would be dropped and the fallen character given the opportunity to return. I'm not sure if this is something possible to script.
QuoteLich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
QuoteQuoteLich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
I have and never will understand this mentality. Arcane casters already get shadow shield which gives the +5 Natural AC, and the base AC bonus could easily be dropped to +3 making it base level barkskin, Mind Blank and other spells that make them immune to mind-affecting as well. Our ghouls wights and vampires have touch attacks that do special abilities, ALL of our MPC's get relatively huge stat gains compared to the Liches measly +2 to all mental, and the Elemental Immunities can easily be dropped to regular DR without being a massive nerf. Physical DR isn't that threatening either, at what I would assume would be 15/+1(2?). Our Mummies/Vampires already get Phylacteries/Coffins that allow them to respawn. The only disservice being done to the Lich is the belief that, somehow, it's bonuses and stats are what makes it such a frightening creature, not the fact that it is quite nearly immortal, and no matter how powerful the hero is, the Lich can plan and wait. The Lich is the fiend that chooses its battles. You don't hunt it, it hunts YOU.
Lich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
Why not do some sort of lesser lich for the sake of gameplay? A caster who isn't quite powerful enough to give themself the full capacity of powers, but, managed to store their soul in a phylactery? As a monster they could be about trying to find knowledge and pushing their transformation. It would fit in with the setting because the failure in becoming a full lich would become drive to keep being evil, a person's own desires becomes their damnation.
QuoteQuoteLich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
I have and never will understand this mentality. Arcane casters already get shadow shield which gives the +5 Natural AC, and the base AC bonus could easily be dropped to +3 making it base level barkskin, Mind Blank and other spells that make them immune to mind-affecting as well. Our ghouls wights and vampires have touch attacks that do special abilities, ALL of our MPC's get relatively huge stat gains compared to the Liches measly +2 to all mental, and the Elemental Immunities can easily be dropped to regular DR without being a massive nerf. Physical DR isn't that threatening either, at what I would assume would be 15/+1(2?). Our Mummies/Vampires already get Phylacteries/Coffins that allow them to respawn. The only disservice being done to the Lich is the belief that, somehow, it's bonuses and stats are what makes it such a frightening creature, not the fact that it is quite nearly immortal, and no matter how powerful the hero is, the Lich can plan and wait. The Lich is the fiend that chooses its battles. You don't hunt it, it hunts YOU.
I take it you're not familiar with Ravenloft's variation of the Lich. They're gifted with monstrously powerful abilities such as the capacity to automatically dominate lesser undead within literal miles of their presence. The others just get more ridiculous. Elketh is barely qualifies as such a thing and he rules over a demireality propagated by his own madness (and a healthy dose of dark powers). There's no way to do Liches justice for players. They're forces of nature and I've personally little desire to see them reduced from that status.
Is it too late to add the option of being able to delete your own characters?
So you're the reason why we can't have fun things!
How about this then: BONE MAGE. It's a caster who makes a phylactery but doesn't succeed in becoming a full lich, thereby avoiding the L word entirely.
The notion of a Half-Lich isn't a bad idea but that sort of thing exists (Vassallich) and they're kind of stupid. I'll bring up this point in discussion sometime in the future.
Would really love more MPC that can blend in :(
Almost all the MPCs visually make people hostile and there isnt always very much build up since you see a werewolf/ghoul/etc and your "Its evil! KILL IT WITH FIRE!". Vampires at least appear very normalish looking and can get in close with people before they ever start to know somethings up :o! Only suggested hag because there able to hide behind guises and such. Are there any other options that fit into the ECL 2 or what ever the limit is for monsterous chars, that appear human and have powers that can be easily replicated?
OMG a flesh golem?! Can we please have this as a MPC type? Pretty please? I will make you home made chocolates and all the desserts you can handle!
Is it too late to add the option of being able to delete your own characters?
For the love of Ezra, I need this.
No promises; I've looked into it and talked a bit with Soren and it seems feasible but I need to give the template a closer look before confirming it.
QuoteQuoteLich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
I have and never will understand this mentality. Arcane casters already get shadow shield which gives the +5 Natural AC, and the base AC bonus could easily be dropped to +3 making it base level barkskin, Mind Blank and other spells that make them immune to mind-affecting as well. Our ghouls wights and vampires have touch attacks that do special abilities, ALL of our MPC's get relatively huge stat gains compared to the Liches measly +2 to all mental, and the Elemental Immunities can easily be dropped to regular DR without being a massive nerf. Physical DR isn't that threatening either, at what I would assume would be 15/+1(2?). Our Mummies/Vampires already get Phylacteries/Coffins that allow them to respawn. The only disservice being done to the Lich is the belief that, somehow, it's bonuses and stats are what makes it such a frightening creature, not the fact that it is quite nearly immortal, and no matter how powerful the hero is, the Lich can plan and wait. The Lich is the fiend that chooses its battles. You don't hunt it, it hunts YOU.
I take it you're not familiar with Ravenloft's variation of the Lich. They're gifted with monstrously powerful abilities such as the capacity to automatically dominate lesser undead within literal miles of their presence. The others just get more ridiculous. Elketh is barely qualifies as such a thing and he rules over a demireality propagated by his own madness (and a healthy dose of dark powers). There's no way to do Liches justice for players. They're forces of nature and I've personally little desire to see them reduced from that status.
QuoteQuoteLich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
I have and never will understand this mentality. Arcane casters already get shadow shield which gives the +5 Natural AC, and the base AC bonus could easily be dropped to +3 making it base level barkskin, Mind Blank and other spells that make them immune to mind-affecting as well. Our ghouls wights and vampires have touch attacks that do special abilities, ALL of our MPC's get relatively huge stat gains compared to the Liches measly +2 to all mental, and the Elemental Immunities can easily be dropped to regular DR without being a massive nerf. Physical DR isn't that threatening either, at what I would assume would be 15/+1(2?). Our Mummies/Vampires already get Phylacteries/Coffins that allow them to respawn. The only disservice being done to the Lich is the belief that, somehow, it's bonuses and stats are what makes it such a frightening creature, not the fact that it is quite nearly immortal, and no matter how powerful the hero is, the Lich can plan and wait. The Lich is the fiend that chooses its battles. You don't hunt it, it hunts YOU.
I take it you're not familiar with Ravenloft's variation of the Lich. They're gifted with monstrously powerful abilities such as the capacity to automatically dominate lesser undead within literal miles of their presence. The others just get more ridiculous. Elketh is barely qualifies as such a thing and he rules over a demireality propagated by his own madness (and a healthy dose of dark powers). There's no way to do Liches justice for players. They're forces of nature and I've personally little desire to see them reduced from that status.
I am aware of the Liches salient abilities and most of them require several CENTURIES of existence to fully manifest. You could easily say, since our Liches would be newly made, and having a time limit of 6 months anyway, would not have time to manifest or understand all of their newfound abilities. Mummies and Vampires also gain these salient abilities, and while we only have Vampire Spawns, we do have Mummies. I repeat, the disservice being done here is adhering too vehemently to the perceived level of power a Lich gains because of its ABILITIES. There is a very powerful argument for the roleplay value of the Lich simply from its existence as a nearly immortal caster.
QuoteQuoteLich would be a fantastic MPC addition.
This has been discussed to death by us, trust me. The Lich template, while awesome, is simply too powerful to be implemented without individual power leaning toward the absurd.
Conversely, limiting the power of the template would be a great disservice to the Lich. They're better left to NPC status. That said, if you're looking for Liches.. there's plenty in Sithicus.
I have and never will understand this mentality. Arcane casters already get shadow shield which gives the +5 Natural AC, and the base AC bonus could easily be dropped to +3 making it base level barkskin, Mind Blank and other spells that make them immune to mind-affecting as well. Our ghouls wights and vampires have touch attacks that do special abilities, ALL of our MPC's get relatively huge stat gains compared to the Liches measly +2 to all mental, and the Elemental Immunities can easily be dropped to regular DR without being a massive nerf. Physical DR isn't that threatening either, at what I would assume would be 15/+1(2?). Our Mummies/Vampires already get Phylacteries/Coffins that allow them to respawn. The only disservice being done to the Lich is the belief that, somehow, it's bonuses and stats are what makes it such a frightening creature, not the fact that it is quite nearly immortal, and no matter how powerful the hero is, the Lich can plan and wait. The Lich is the fiend that chooses its battles. You don't hunt it, it hunts YOU.
I take it you're not familiar with Ravenloft's variation of the Lich. They're gifted with monstrously powerful abilities such as the capacity to automatically dominate lesser undead within literal miles of their presence. The others just get more ridiculous. Elketh is barely qualifies as such a thing and he rules over a demireality propagated by his own madness (and a healthy dose of dark powers). There's no way to do Liches justice for players. They're forces of nature and I've personally little desire to see them reduced from that status.
I am aware of the Liches salient abilities and most of them require several CENTURIES of existence to fully manifest. You could easily say, since our Liches would be newly made, and having a time limit of 6 months anyway, would not have time to manifest or understand all of their newfound abilities. Mummies and Vampires also gain these salient abilities, and while we only have Vampire Spawns, we do have Mummies. I repeat, the disservice being done here is adhering too vehemently to the perceived level of power a Lich gains because of its ABILITIES. There is a very powerful argument for the roleplay value of the Lich simply from its existence as a nearly immortal caster.
Revenant.This is a fantastic idea, and I would jump at the chance to play one.
Death Knights.
If i remember you can select werebats.... can even do werepanthers and crocs.. its just no one ever does them lol the list of MPCs you can play and are available ATM are listed... but come on who wants to play a werebat? they are the most laughable werecreature out there.
It may be on the list im not sure, but ive never seen an MPC mindflayer, that could be flat out terrifying.
It may be on the list im not sure, but ive never seen an MPC mindflayer, that could be flat out terrifying.
I have. Terrifying when controlled by Mac and Mephisto :D... also.. Kirtha'lax the alhoon is a Mindflayer Lich
Maybe Red Widow as a AMPC?
Maybe Red Widow as a AMPC?
If I recall, they are only present in Darkon, which isn't in the module.
Maybe Red Widow as a AMPC?
If I recall, they are only present in Darkon, which isn't in the module.
There's a story about a Red Widow in Chateaufaux in Tales of Ravenloft.
The were rats in that pic ture actually look amazing vs the actual versions used. Now the one used kinda remind me of a cartoon memo :3
If i could vote a fourth i would also vote for more MPC races.. there are more out there and they can be fun to play. ( not asking for anything OP like a lich) but who wouldn't want to play as a hag or a darkling? or um.. ( * tries to think of something monstorus* Ogre maybe?
I'd like to see full blooded orcs and hob goblins payable.
I'd like to see full blooded orcs and hob goblins payable.
The demiplane of dread is a notoriously orc-free setting. Their inclusions is very unlikely to ever occur. Hobgoblins could technically be possible, but you run into the problem that it isn't a subrace available for one of the playable races. You could however set yourself up as a caliban looking like a hobgoblin.
So the mists straight up dont claim some races?
So...... I'm sure this has come up a million times, but Dhampir as a subrace?
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A little transparency doesn't hurt anyone. Too much, however, and it can be easily misconstrued with one misspoken word, because not all people are the same.
Also, yes, the whole 'low magic vs. high magic' thing-debate has been brought up tons of times in the past. It's unlikely to change from what it is, being relatively high magic -- because Ravenloft is pretty much inherently 'high magic' (unless I missed something). I mean, there's a giant Shadow Rift in the center of the Core with all sorts of crazy things including what could destroy the Core (if I am not mistaken).
As appealing as a gritty-realism world sounds (akin to GoT), it's unlikely to happen at this point and would have to be a slow but gradual shift towards such a philosophy, and an entirely new Prisoners of the Mist. That's more of a Community movement than a developer one, I think, though.
Regardless of all that, I cast my vote some time ago for more player-driven RP functionality. I think this is what the server kind of really needs the most right now, compared to the other options.
A little transparency doesn't hurt anyone. Too much, however, and it can be easily misconstrued with one misspoken word, because not all people are the same.
Also, yes, the whole 'low magic vs. high magic' thing-debate has been brought up tons of times in the past. It's unlikely to change from what it is, being relatively high magic -- because Ravenloft is pretty much inherently 'high magic' (unless I missed something). I mean, there's a giant Shadow Rift in the center of the Core with all sorts of crazy things including what could destroy the Core (if I am not mistaken).
As appealing as a gritty-realism world sounds (akin to GoT), it's unlikely to happen at this point and would have to be a slow but gradual shift towards such a philosophy, and an entirely new Prisoners of the Mist. That's more of a Community movement than a developer one, I think, though.
Regardless of all that, I cast my vote some time ago for more player-driven RP functionality. I think this is what the server kind of really needs the most right now, compared to the other options.
I would say that it wasn't an argument magic, as I think that magic is great to add a layer onto a story, I just think when it's overdone and overused the awe, the wonder, and how powerful magic really can be kind of loses it's 'punch'.
1. Refocus of the DM Team to be more open, transparent. If a player wants to know the team's thoughts on them, it should be something that should be available and open to them, and on the oft hand, that player in question should be permitted a chance for redemption with the DM team with a humble apology, even public.But I think that Ravenloft sometimes is far too much of a 'hug box', which kind of leads me to my next point.
2. I would say that likely 90 percent of Ravenloft players are over the age of eighteen, by no means am I saying let's turn this into social, but I feel the restrictions on language, mature content. (I am not saying lets have public erp or even make it a thing) but adult content, and adult speech is something that should not be regulated in character. A bump up to the "R" version I think would be far more fitting.
3. Don't be afraid to go back to the core elements of a gothic horror, and what it entails, I think we lose ourselves sometimes in the level 20 fantasy box of high magic, I frankly think that magic is far too prevalent and widespread that it's meaning, and depth with it's overuse has been cheapened.
I personally think the dm team does a good job. I would like to see more dm events, our at least be aware before hand so I can try and take part. A lot of times it's being in the right place at the right time. As a casual player it's hard to get into them. Maybe it happens more at higher levels, I'm not sure, I don't have a character over level ten. Some people seem to have no issue and get some dm fun frequently. I must learn how. This server it's good though. Write a few servers, the dms have a bad case of golden boy syndrome, where they only really care about the stories of a select few pcs that they like. I haven't seen that here. That sets this server apart in my eyes.
I'm sure it's been mentioned over and over again, but what about craaftable gloves, belts, and cloaks?
And on a side note, would it be a terrible thing to ease up on the monk multiclassing restrictions so that they could have a decent attack base by going part fighter or ranger?
I'm sure it's been mentioned over and over again, but what about craaftable gloves, belts, and cloaks?
And on a side note, would it be a terrible thing to ease up on the monk multiclassing restrictions so that they could have a decent attack base by going part fighter or ranger?
Remember that all allowed prestige classes are still open to you as a monk!
Divine Champion is a great one.
Almost every weapon is the favored weapon of some god. There are even gods who use their fists.
Almost every weapon is the favored weapon of some god. There are even gods who use their fists.
Gods aren't my forta so I was just going with what I knew and such. and while this is true, one now has to find a god that A: allows their alignment. and B: favor a weapon they can use. which is why I was saying the pool of gods for Monks to have to become a champion is not as large.
Almost every weapon is the favored weapon of some god. There are even gods who use their fists.
Gods aren't my forta so I was just going with what I knew and such. and while this is true, one now has to find a god that A: allows their alignment. and B: favor a weapon they can use. which is why I was saying the pool of gods for Monks to have to become a champion is not as large.
I'm not 100% certain you have to use the favored weapon of your god. In fact, I rather think you don't.
Almost every weapon is the favored weapon of some god. There are even gods who use their fists.
Gods aren't my forta so I was just going with what I knew and such. and while this is true, one now has to find a god that A: allows their alignment. and B: favor a weapon they can use. which is why I was saying the pool of gods for Monks to have to become a champion is not as large.
I'm not 100% certain you have to use the favored weapon of your god. In fact, I rather think you don't.
I was told during my application process for lauel being a divine champion she had to choose the spear (for the morninglord) as favored weapon in her build she could USE other weapons but she was required to have the feat weapon focus spear to achieve the prc
That isn't really a Champion than.. that's like saying a weapon master is a weapon master even if he doesn't use his weapon of choice.. a Champion on a God would use their God's weapon otherwise they don't get their special abilities.. in my opinion... seems VERY cheesy to not use you God's weapon.
That isn't really a Champion than.. that's like saying a weapon master is a weapon master even if he doesn't use his weapon of choice.. a Champion on a God would use their God's weapon otherwise they don't get their special abilities.. in my opinion... seems VERY cheesy to not use you God's weapon.
Not in the slightest. A champion of the god would know the god's weapon well. They would use it in ritual, and on formal occasions. When they fight, they fight with a different weapon. Or both. It's not a big deal.
That isn't really a Champion than.. that's like saying a weapon master is a weapon master even if he doesn't use his weapon of choice.. a Champion on a God would use their God's weapon otherwise they don't get their special abilities.. in my opinion... seems VERY cheesy to not use you God's weapon.
Not in the slightest. A champion of the god would know the god's weapon well. They would use it in ritual, and on formal occasions. When they fight, they fight with a different weapon. Or both. It's not a big deal.
I still think that is just the most cheesy cop out and shouldn't be approved, but that is my opinion, I'll look up the actual class when I get home
I advocate for giving pitfiends trueseeing. Why, because I think they deserve it and it'll add just a little more challenge to the perfidious area. And possibly prevent the easy access to things such as meteorites with out any risk simply by using an invisibility pot or sneaking about in sand and dirt.
I'll again recommend a dungeon similar to the one in the morninglord crypts in level range be added to Port A Lucine so that Port players can appreciate the roleplay they enjoy from the get goNo low level dungeons in the Port is somewhat intentional.
I'll again recommend a dungeon similar to the one in the morninglord crypts in level range be added to Port A Lucine so that Port players can appreciate the roleplay they enjoy from the get goNo low level dungeons in the Port is somewhat intentional.
We don't really want to separate the low level posse to two different locations. We just don't have the player count to support this. While you, as an experienced player, might find it tolerable to be the only low level in town, your not being in Vallaki area might mean that a genuine new player has a smaller chance at encountering another low level.
I have always enjoyed the setup and the lore and roleplay opportunities posed by dungeons in the VOB area. However, a lot of these never get visited because of their level range/ risk reward. Is there anyway these dungeons could either be revamped, or that more dungeons can be constructed in that type of light? Many of the new dungeons have been less puzzle and thematically oriented, and more so just deadly traps and or difficult monsters. I love the fact that you can get lost in the VOB church looking for secret doors and still have the feeling you never really found everything, but the server seems to have gotten away from this model as a whole. I just feel like some of the most enjoyable dungeons are some of the least visited( VOB series, Ice Palace, etc) and I would love to see either additional incentive to go to them in a party, or new dungeons made with a similar feeling to them.
May I recommend a blackout system? On a previous server they tried it and it really changed the dynamic of PVP. Also shackles. No idea the scripting challenges posed but I figured I'd offer the suggestion:
It worked as a system of subdual mode that you could toggle. So you had Full Damage, Subdual and Blackout Mode. When you "Killed" someone in blackout mode, they would spawn a corpse item on the ground the same way you usually do when you die. The player would be teleported to a blacked out map with no ability to move for about 2-5 minutes. Then the person would be teleported back to their corpse at near death the same as though they had just died and been revived.
The shackles worked as a glove item that when worn took away the persons ability to attack and gives 100% spell failure (stilled spells still possible) and to break free you had to pass a wildly high strength check or another person had to break you free.
May I recommend a blackout system? On a previous server they tried it and it really changed the dynamic of PVP. Also shackles. No idea the scripting challenges posed but I figured I'd offer the suggestion:
It worked as a system of subdual mode that you could toggle. So you had Full Damage, Subdual and Blackout Mode. When you "Killed" someone in blackout mode, they would spawn a corpse item on the ground the same way you usually do when you die. The player would be teleported to a blacked out map with no ability to move for about 2-5 minutes. Then the person would be teleported back to their corpse at near death the same as though they had just died and been revived.
We've considered this in the past and decided against it because it made the player captured sit and twiddle their thumbs for an indeterminate amount of time.
May I recommend a blackout system? On a previous server they tried it and it really changed the dynamic of PVP. Also shackles. No idea the scripting challenges posed but I figured I'd offer the suggestion:
It worked as a system of subdual mode that you could toggle. So you had Full Damage, Subdual and Blackout Mode. When you "Killed" someone in blackout mode, they would spawn a corpse item on the ground the same way you usually do when you die. The player would be teleported to a blacked out map with no ability to move for about 2-5 minutes. Then the person would be teleported back to their corpse at near death the same as though they had just died and been revived.
We've considered this in the past and decided against it because it made the player captured sit and twiddle their thumbs for an indeterminate amount of time.
It's pretty much what happens now when one needs to kidnap someone, except we are forced to kill them are revive them which always feels a little bit OOC. Is it at all possible to toggle a mode that when we kill someone it spawns a free autoraising corpse that is called "unconscious [soandso]"? Even if they get a ghost to avoid twiddling thumbs, it wouldn't really matter since everything you learn as a ghost is off limits ICly.