Ravenloft: Prisoners of the Mist
Public (OOC) => Setting and Lore Discussion => Topic started by: Telkar on July 06, 2011, 11:48:15 AM
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I was wondering the availability of tobacco in Ravenloft domains, for pipe smoking (what else would usually be smoked anyway?). It seems the plant needs a fairly warm climate, so I thought perhaps it could be available in domains with climate: Warm. That would make it really rare though. Most domains are labeled temperate. I'm mostly curious about availability in Barovia. It probably isn't grown there, so I want to know whether it makes sense being imported from nearby domains. If so, wouldn't it also be expensive and more of a luxury for the rich?
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Tobacco is traded in Sri Raji.
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Thanks, seems like the only connection to that place would be vistani. I'll assume it at least wouldn't be cheap in Barovia.
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the problem is the RVT are smoking it all before it comes out to others!
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*shakes fist angrily at RVT*
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Hmmm. [gets ideas]
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I was actually surprised that it wasn't listed for Hazlan when I looked at their common trade resources. But Vardo import a lot of things with DM help. You could have them use the opium model and just weaken/remove the intoxicating effects. Maybe lower con instead of wis, since it lowers your lung capacity. But then you'd risk overdose. LOL Perhaps just -1 to fort save. I'm not sure.
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That'd be cool. I'd like a tobacco drug IG. Wish there also was some "fashion accessory" that is a pipe, for smoking both opium and tobacco. Don't think it has been made.
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:arrow:[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fXFY8VLMXs&feature=related[/youtube]
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That'd be cool. I'd like a tobacco drug IG. Wish there also was some "fashion accessory" that is a pipe, for smoking both opium and tobacco. Don't think it has been made.
The port, provided you know where to go ;D
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There are hookahs, but they are used somewhat like candles. You can set them out and they look nice. Then you'd need to "use" the opium/tobacco to rp smoking from them. No stem-and-bowl pipes, though, as far as I've seen.
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There are hookahs, but they are used somewhat like candles. You can set them out and they look nice. Then you'd need to "use" the opium/tobacco to rp smoking from them. No stem-and-bowl pipes, though, as far as I've seen.
[smoke]
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At least we got the [smoke] emote. That's halfway there.
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Yes [smoke] in combination with [holds chin] can make it sort of look like you're smoking something.
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I was actually surprised that it wasn't listed for Hazlan when I looked at their common trade resources. But Vardo import a lot of things with DM help. You could have them use the opium model and just weaken/remove the intoxicating effects. Maybe lower con instead of wis, since it lowers your lung capacity. But then you'd risk overdose. LOL Perhaps just -1 to fort save. I'm not sure.
Same here, and I also thought they grew it in Vechor, but I was mistaken.
One thing to keep in mind is that Sri Raji is kind of remote. It's part of a cluster not connected physically to the Core, meaning one has to travel the Mists to get there, and even with Mistways that isn't very reliable. I'd imagine that would drive up the cost of any tobacco in the Core.
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I don't think it'd make sense for my local to be able to afford such then to begin with. It'd be a rare luxury. Maybe I or someone should suggest tobacco in the item creation thread to have an actual price.
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Never looked it up, but are all the plantations in Souragne sugar cane? Seems tobacco would make sense too.
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Smoking is bad! :twak:
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PC's will never live long enough to worry about lung cancer.
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Dont jinx it lol
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Never looked it up, but are all the plantations in Souragne sugar cane? Seems tobacco would make sense too.
Tobacco would make sense for Souragne, as it's based off of colonial Louisiana, but it is not listed as a resource for the domain in the 3rd Edition Campaign Setting. The plantations grow sugarcane, cotton, and yams.
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Never looked it up, but are all the plantations in Souragne sugar cane? Seems tobacco would make sense too.
Tobacco would make sense for Souragne, as it's based off of colonial Louisiana, but it is not listed as a resource for the domain in the 3rd Edition Campaign Setting. The plantations grow sugarcane, cotton, and yams.
Since Hasbro owns the company making these things...and we all know that there is some pretty odd views of some things in the US. Might it be that tobacco is not in the books cause of it being stigmatised and people do not want their children to see tobacco as something used in their "games"? Like naked bodies and similar? Just a question.
EDIT: Also, there is other things to smoke then tobacco, chocolate beans, mushrooms I bet to...lot of things....I presume smoking chocolate would not really either be that much of a drug and closer to tobacco then to opium!
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Yeah, cocoa leaves are something alright. (http://www.bermuda.org.uk/cocaine.htm)
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"Chocolate's one helluva drug."
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Never looked it up, but are all the plantations in Souragne sugar cane? Seems tobacco would make sense too.
Tobacco would make sense for Souragne, as it's based off of colonial Louisiana, but it is not listed as a resource for the domain in the 3rd Edition Campaign Setting. The plantations grow sugarcane, cotton, and yams.
Since Hasbro owns the company making these things...and we all know that there is some pretty odd views of some things in the US. Might it be that tobacco is not in the books cause of it being stigmatised and people do not want their children to see tobacco as something used in their "games"? Like naked bodies and similar? Just a question.
EDIT: Also, there is other things to smoke then tobacco, chocolate beans, mushrooms I bet to...lot of things....I presume smoking chocolate would not really either be that much of a drug and closer to tobacco then to opium!
Uh, no because the book lists tobacco for Sri Raji. Try reading the whole thread before you post something.
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Never looked it up, but are all the plantations in Souragne sugar cane? Seems tobacco would make sense too.
Tobacco would make sense for Souragne, as it's based off of colonial Louisiana, but it is not listed as a resource for the domain in the 3rd Edition Campaign Setting. The plantations grow sugarcane, cotton, and yams.
Since Hasbro owns the company making these things...and we all know that there is some pretty odd views of some things in the US. Might it be that tobacco is not in the books cause of it being stigmatised and people do not want their children to see tobacco as something used in their "games"? Like naked bodies and similar? Just a question.
EDIT: Also, there is other things to smoke then tobacco, chocolate beans, mushrooms I bet to...lot of things....I presume smoking chocolate would not really either be that much of a drug and closer to tobacco then to opium!
Uh, no because the book lists tobacco for Sri Raji. Try reading the whole thread before you post something.
No need to be rude. Im not stupid. :P
Just saying that it would not suprise me. I thought I did read somewhere in this thread that they removed that tobacco part in later versions. Which I then tied to Hasbro buying WOTSC.
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It's certainly something Hasbro might do if they published the books, but they didn't. And a one-off mention of tobacco in Sri Raji in the hardcover is nothing compared to an entire section of the first Gazeteer talking about the opium trade in Hazlan.
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It's certainly something Hasbro might do if they published the books, but they didn't. And a one-off mention of tobacco in Sri Raji in the hardcover is nothing compared to an entire section of the first Gazeteer talking about the opium trade in Hazlan.
Hasbro will be Hasbro :)
I presume Hazlan is bit more important then Sri Raji. Since Hazlan is in the core no?
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It's certainly something Hasbro might do if they published the books, but they didn't. And a one-off mention of tobacco in Sri Raji in the hardcover is nothing compared to an entire section of the first Gazeteer talking about the opium trade in Hazlan.
Hasbro will be Hasbro :)
I presume Hazlan is bit more important then Sri Raji. Since Hazlan is in the core no?
I don't really see how that's relevant to your argument. The point I was trying to make is if they were so uptight to remove references to tobacco (which they never did), then they would have also removed the much larger references to opium for the same reason. The fact is that neither of the referenced drugs were removed from the books.
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It's certainly something Hasbro might do if they published the books, but they didn't. And a one-off mention of tobacco in Sri Raji in the hardcover is nothing compared to an entire section of the first Gazeteer talking about the opium trade in Hazlan.
Hasbro will be Hasbro :)
I presume Hazlan is bit more important then Sri Raji. Since Hazlan is in the core no?
I don't really see how that's relevant to your argument. The point I was trying to make is if they were so uptight to remove references to tobacco (which they never did), then they would have also removed the much larger references to opium for the same reason. The fact is that neither of the referenced drugs were removed from the books.
Oh, Im not arguementing.
Just wondering if Hazlan has deeper information on the opium then the one line Sri Raji having tobacco since its not part of the Core.
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Maybe just maybe.. It has absolutely nothing to do with who owns it, and Hazlan is just more important Sri Raji, And thus as one would have a small section then the other, one has a small note on Tabacco then the other which is large on opium. The Loljohnferro's two cents.
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I'll blame 4th edition on Hasbro, but I doubt they'd micromanage their personal politics in our roleplaying game.
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And this is why I love paizo Pathfinder, they are not afraid to mention stuff like that. hell in the book on Kalapesh, they tallk a good bit on Pesh, aka magic opium in all but name but tis there :D. Other books mention other things too.
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Based upon my understanding of the source material, tobacco should be readily available in Barovia. (or at least more than if not comparable to the availability of tobacco in Renaissance Gothic earth) In addition to Sri Raji, Page #56 of the Kargatane Gazetteer #1 states:
"exotic crops also thrive in Hazlan's long summers, such as cotton, tobacco..."
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/rabidsmily/Hazlani_economy.gif)
Then on the top right of page #57 it states that:
"Immol engages in steady trade with Hazlan."
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/rabidsmily/Immol_trade.gif)
To compare with a gothic earth counterpart, in 1620 A.D. the American city of Jamestown, Virginia alone was able to produce 54,000 kilograms of tobacco, which would be more than able to provide 1 kilogram apiece for every man, woman, and child inside Barovia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tobacco
Yeah.... I have a vested interest to bring this up because my character Prescott Bowley has occasionally been seen to smoke a pipe, and I do not want to be accused of cheesing, as I have never been to Sri Raji. :?
So... light up, and enjoy! :twisted:
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There we have it. Thanks for the input. :)
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accused of cheesing
Never happen... now where did I put my pipe.. ?
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Thanks, I knew I read somewhere that Hazlan had tobacco.
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Well Elfric will be happy to know. Maybe now we can add tobacco to that oddity shop at the port docks?