Ravenloft: Prisoners of the Mist
Suggestions, Feedback & Bug Reports (OOC) => Module Feedback and Suggestions => Topic started by: Ingwulf on October 09, 2009, 03:40:00 AM
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Is it possible to set up some kind of indoors campfires system? For people who want to set up campfires inside caves?
There are lots and lots of harvestable trees around so it would be possible to carry some wood when going down into dungeons and such.
This topic might already be somewhere but it's just an idea :)
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Generally a bad idea to burn fires inside a cave because you'd build up carbon monoxide and suffocate. You'd go to sleep and wake up dead.
The fire would also disturb the bats roosting on the ceiling and they'd start flying about. Not a danger game wise, but IRL, bats carry rabies and bat bites can be serious.
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not all caves are closed completely and some have penty of ceiling space :D About the bats... I have no argument :)
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Okay , take it from a spieliologist (one who studies caves & their formations) {also a nutter who like nothing more than to crawl into utter darkness & get muddy & wet}...Fires in caves , even small caves are extreemly bad for the occupants .
Most caves in northern europe are formed by water , more often than not running through soluble rock such as lime stone & most with healthy calcium deposits, diluted calcium & the soot, ashed ect from the fire will make Clacium carbide which is highly toxic & gives off a gas called acetylene which aside from being very flamable is also heavier than oxygen .
Light a fire in a badly ventilated lime stone cave & you have a BIG bomb as the acetylene pools at the base of the cave until there is enough to be ignited by the fire.
The heat from a fire will rise sharply in most caverns quickly drying out the rock structure above , which will over time fracture due to the stress from the surrounding material & either send shards of material down from the cavern roof or more likely colapse the entire cavern. (water acts like a glue in most "live" cave systems the absence of air in the rock causing slight vacum)
Most cave dwelling peoples in ages past always lit thier fires at the cave mouth .....the romans favorite method of mining was to light fires in caves & wait for partial colapse ...be a cave man , not a roman ;)
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:clap: :clap: :clap:
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Holy Cow..
A man and his work.
Seems like a Good Idea to be able to do that, but then the scientific reason that Tarinyar gave makes more sense.
Not enough DM's around to start patrolling for fires in caves, and then blowing them up.. lol
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It should also give those pause, who carry large torches and lanterns down into caves... :twisted:
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I am going to print this out, and I am going to memorize it. Then one day when I finally get to hiking again, me and my friends will stumble upon a really cool cave somewhere. Someone's going to want to light a fire, and I'll stop them and give an abbreviated description of everything Tarinyar just said. My friends will stand in awe and ask how I came to know all of this. Was it from a wilderness survival guide? One of the many summer programs I've been on? Perhaps my college education in the environmental sciences is finally bearing fruit? No, I'll tell them, it was from some guy on an online roleplaying forum.
Their minds will be blown. I thank you in advance.
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[sits down and ponders his entire life] Well... umm.... my life has no point now due to undeniable facts! Hehehe
Well at least I got the logical explanation... :D
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I am going to print this out, and I am going to memorize it. Then one day when I finally get to hiking again, me and my friends will stumble upon a really cool cave somewhere. Someone's going to want to light a fire, and I'll stop them and give an abbreviated description of everything Tarinyar just said. My friends will stand in awe and ask how I came to know all of this. Was it from a wilderness survival guide? One of the many summer programs I've been on? Perhaps my college education in the environmental sciences is finally bearing fruit? No, I'll tell them, it was from some guy on an online roleplaying forum.
Their minds will be blown. I thank you in advance.
I think you're wrong. I bet they'll hogtie you, throw you in the cave, and light a fire next to you.
That's what I would do in that circumstance.
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Be sure to add to your abbreviated notes about cave spelunking, "Don't go camping with Bad_Bud."
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Duly noted.
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No you can go camping with him just hogtie him before you get to the cave. Then tie him to a horse and your set!
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So now I need a horse. Great. This whole camping adventure is now starting to be entirely too much effort. If only there was something I could do with my time, at say... a computer.Then I wouldn't have to worry about all this.
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Light a fire in a badly ventilated lime stone cave & you have a BIG bomb as the acetylene pools at the base of the cave until there is enough to be ignited by the fire.
The heat from a fire will rise sharply in most caverns quickly drying out the rock structure above , which will over time fracture due to the stress from the surrounding material & either send shards of material down from the cavern roof or more likely colapse the entire cavern. (water acts like a glue in most "live" cave systems the absence of air in the rock causing slight vacum
Why is it that, as a DnD player, the first idea I have in this situation is a delayed blast fireball in every cave for two miles around the Outskirts for awesome XP?
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years, and years of inductrination into the fun that is Fireballs?
I get that feeling everytime I see crowds of people
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years, and years of inductrination into the fun that is Fireballs?
I get that feeling everytime I see crowds of people
And I can happily say I am one of the few who has acted upon that impulse.
With an actual Fireball!
...or two!
:fire:
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Fireball was always my answer to everything. And then they added Enegry Substitution and Enegry Admixture I believe, and you could create 1D20 Fire/Lightning Balls or whatever your mind could come up with.. Good times.
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Since this topic has created I feel like there number of left behind campfires just doubled or triplied. Never seem that so many campfires in PotM before.
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Why dont they make camp fires do fire damage when someone walks over them? A bit off topic but in a thread called campfires just thought it would be a good plan.
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Why dont they make camp fires do fire damage when someone walks over them? A bit off topic but in a thread called campfires just thought it would be a good plan.
Probably so that someone doesn't get the idea of constructing a field of fire near some transition.
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If someone goes threw the trouble to make a wall of fires at a transition then the must be either
A: A tad desperate if someone tries to slow roast you with a fire you can just walk over quite quickly then they must be horrible desperate.
B: A person who just wishes to cause ooc anger and harm. Which if this is the case could be easily dealt with. (By going to your friendly neighborhood DM)
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Well, a campfire would only hurt you if you stand in it. So why would it do fire damage?
Its a bit more script for something that seemingly isn't that useful.
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If your standing in a fire... it would hurt badly... Hence fire damage. Also it would be nice for the rp of burning a witch. you could literaly burn a witch.
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You can just RP the fire and no one stands in a fire anyway, if I know the engine right it is counted as an object and you cannot walk on the fire.
My opinion on this, I rather see the witches having a chance to RP their agonizing ending out then taking damage and dying by the engine. The oppurtunity of RP in such an situation shall never be taken away I think.
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I agree with buddly to some degree, a little bit of damage there and then can actually help to the agony that witches or people standing on fire would feel.
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Most witch burnings that have happened in the past, had a DM witness to the event and the DM usually takes care of the fire damage and visual effects. It seems more appropriate for a DM to handle such VFX and damage imo for what is probably a 'perma' event, which also helps allay any ooc complaints about said event which are likely to result. Having a DM witness to the rp and the actions, and to perhaps assist with visuals/damage and so on, just seems more appropriate than a script change that could easily be used in ways unintended (much like the traps have been lately).