Ravenloft: Prisoners of the Mist

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Title: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: kenpen on March 04, 2008, 03:50:36 PM
Alright. So, for the 2nd time, getting to the end after a LONG hard slug, there is nothing in the chests. Nothing at all.

Is this a bug, or intentional? If it's intentional, just take the chests out. Seriously. It was a huge pain to get to the end, and we killed EVERYTHING in the temple, aboleth, other side, middle... everything dead. It was way fun, and cool to say "hey, we killed everything" but, seriously. Put some treasure in the chests, or just take them out. :-P
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Gonny on March 04, 2008, 04:23:39 PM
Agreed. It was a pain we I made it in the last room with 2 hp and a dead friend. I thought: "Well, at least we reached the chests, might have something good since not many people comes here and it was full spawn". DANG! Empty.

Meh...
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Corvus on March 04, 2008, 04:24:17 PM
Most likley a bug
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: DM Macabre on March 04, 2008, 04:43:00 PM
Alright. So, for the 2nd time, getting to the end after a LONG hard slug, there is nothing in the chests. Nothing at all.

Is this a bug, or intentional? If it's intentional, just take the chests out. Seriously. It was a huge pain to get to the end, and we killed EVERYTHING in the temple, aboleth, other side, middle... everything dead. It was way fun, and cool to say "hey, we killed everything" but, seriously. Put some treasure in the chests, or just take them out. :-P

Yes Ravenloft is also about frustration... but experienced the thing like kenpen for the second time (the only times we even got that far and I go to that place really rarely) and with really nothing but the personal gain makes the frustration growing immense...  :nonono:
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: kenpen on March 04, 2008, 04:46:03 PM
Yah, I was all wet with excitement, hoping for a Hawke's Longbow or something, and... empty space! After all that forum talk about how the place was supposed to have been made even harder, w/ the abberation distance knockdowns being justified because they were epic/uber items at the end. And nothing? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: EO on March 04, 2008, 06:33:03 PM
Was a challenge, no? That's the point of it.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Gonny on March 04, 2008, 06:47:00 PM
Was a challenge, no? That's the point of it.

I really hope you were kidding. If I wanted a challenge without reward I'd tried to run the alhoon dungeon naked and with fists.

And seriosly, if actually i was playing a nwn for a challenge..I'd be wrong. I rather look for challenges IRL.
I play, and i thikn most people do, for a lot of things. D&D isnt about challenge, but challenge-lvl-reward. If you quit one of them, then it becomes pointless.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: kenpen on March 04, 2008, 06:53:42 PM
Yah, I was all wet with excitement, hoping for a Hawke's Longbow or something, and... empty space! After all that forum talk about how the place was supposed to have been made even harder, w/ the abberation distance knockdowns being justified because they were epic/uber items at the end. And nothing? Sheesh.

Yah, it was fun. First time I've ever cleared the entire thing, top to bottom, and killed everything in it. I mean, we missed one on the way out, and came back in just to kill him. ;) But, still... I'd heard from people the chests were empty every time, and I was hoping they were wrong or mistaken since the conversation had been brought up months ago by other people, and reassurances given.

It's not like the treasure is a huge deal. But if there's a chest, it would seem something should be in it at least some of the time. Even if it's just the hearts of tortured victims or something. I mean, maybe the chests contain nothing, and they're nihilist demonologists or something, which could make sense I guess. ;-)
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: ThAnswr on March 04, 2008, 07:10:57 PM
Was a challenge, no? That's the point of it.

I bet Ken is feeling better already. 
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ric on March 04, 2008, 07:52:16 PM
The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables).  And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Helaman on March 04, 2008, 07:55:45 PM
I'd love to see Sroedingers cat inside one of these 'empty' chests - I'd laugh my ass off
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Zarathustra217 on March 05, 2008, 02:39:26 AM
I'd love to see Sroedingers cat inside one of these 'empty' chests - I'd laugh my ass off

haha, priceless...

Anyway, it could be due to ninja looters - dunno, I'll check on it... :)
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: mayvind on March 05, 2008, 07:46:42 AM
Since i can remember, there no loot in those 2 chests after the new loot generate system awhile back.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ravenous on March 05, 2008, 08:28:30 AM
The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables).  And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: kenpen on March 05, 2008, 09:00:25 AM
The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables).  And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.

This is true, and also why it doesn't matter a huge deal. ;)
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: ThAnswr on March 05, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables).  And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.

That's very true.  However, I don't think it would be too much to ask if, just once, you open the chest and sitting there is a Bone Phoenix or a One of Many or an Astral Blade +8?    :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ric on March 05, 2008, 10:34:32 AM
The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables).  And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.

I still don't like wasting resources if I'm not finding anything in reward.  If I had to pick a dungeon to trash with one of my two characters that can handle those two dungeons, I would pick Scrags every time.  Why?  Because not only is the EXP better, but there's actual loot to be found.  It's a waste of time to do a dungeon just to prove yourself.  This isn't an MMORPG where you brag about how your team beat the epic dungeon.  That dungeon should be respected as a place where awesome events happened in the past, not a place where your friends in game go "All right, let's test ourself at the demonologist lair and see if we can beat it!" like it's "The Gauntlet" or something.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Helaman on March 06, 2008, 07:28:58 AM
But it is the guantlet... Funnily enough its a mages paradise and they can solo the joint but fighters may as well go home if they dont have a mage friend.

That Autoknockdown - no save vs. fort or Discipline is just wrong... I still aint happy with it.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Gonny on March 06, 2008, 07:31:15 AM
I made half of the dungeon with Gonnar (rogue), Aghila (ranger) , (Khay) Paladin.
THere's always a trick to beat those aberrations. Won't tell you, find out :)
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: DM Macabre on March 06, 2008, 07:48:48 AM
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.

That is just true for the characters, who collect enormous amounts of coin. There are also characters who don't collect that much. Regno for example never had more then 8k at any time and mostly has under 2k.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Gonny on March 06, 2008, 03:35:59 PM
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.

That is just true for the characters, who collect enormous amounts of coin. There are also characters who don't collect that much. Regno for example never had more then 8k at any time and mostly has under 2k.

Also remember rogues, who spend most of the coin in scrolls, that they'll waste later in dungeons....and if not rewarded, it becomes a waste...etc..
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ravenous on March 13, 2008, 05:12:59 AM
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.

That is just true for the characters, who collect enormous amounts of coin. There are also characters who don't collect that much. Regno for example never had more then 8k at any time and mostly has under 2k.

Also remember rogues, who spend most of the coin in scrolls, that they'll waste later in dungeons....and if not rewarded, it becomes a waste...etc..

Rogues have a limitless amount of coin.

Oh yeh, and i said "usually" ;)
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: DM Macabre on March 13, 2008, 05:53:27 AM
uhm.. true...  :ontome: *hides from the DM's wrath*
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Gonny on March 13, 2008, 06:09:45 PM
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.

That is just true for the characters, who collect enormous amounts of coin. There are also characters who don't collect that much. Regno for example never had more then 8k at any time and mostly has under 2k.

Also remember rogues, who spend most of the coin in scrolls, that they'll waste later in dungeons....and if not rewarded, it becomes a waste...etc..

Rogues have a limitless amount of coin.

Oh yeh, and i said "usually" ;)

You're talking about evil rogues that steal their mum's coins right?
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ravenous on March 15, 2008, 01:17:24 PM
If you are a rogue that does steal at all, you should not be good in this setting. Stealing can be worth a DP check ;)

I had a rogue at lvl 4 that was richer than all my other chars put together at that time... Earning money as one is the easiest thing to do, even if you dont steal from your mommys cookie jar ;)
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: kenpen on April 11, 2008, 04:48:48 AM
Killed them the other day, and - hey - they still keep nothing in their chests. ;)

Overall, though, I've noticed that the loot has been getting better on higher spawns. Still very hard to get them. ;)
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: engelfire on April 11, 2008, 05:44:21 AM
this is good place for some dm enhanced rp moments too. bring in the next generation corvus !

however though, its pretty dangerous to just go lurk around and start rp with em demons and them summoners. prolly eat you no matter what
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: engelfire on April 11, 2008, 05:45:03 AM
if dm's allow, i could make a new character who would be demonologist :D
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ravenous on April 11, 2008, 10:18:54 AM
WE got at ton of areas that positively reek with RP possibilities..
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: kenpen on August 22, 2008, 03:31:48 PM
Still no loot in the last/only chests! Ever! ;)
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Bluebomber4evr on August 22, 2008, 04:00:19 PM
Alright, I'll look into this while I'm trying to figure out what broke the lich tower
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ric on August 22, 2008, 04:31:26 PM
Alright, I'll look into this while I'm trying to figure out what broke the lich tower

Cheers Blue, you rock. :rock:
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Bluebomber4evr on August 24, 2008, 04:39:10 AM
Discovered the reason for this bug and fixed it: 2 of the waypoints had incorrect names for treasuries and one had no chest blueprint specified (so it wasn't appearing).
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: k_moustakas on August 24, 2008, 08:02:33 AM
yay! Right on time. Now that I'm level 14 I can get a party and go there *smiles, impending doom ahead*
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: DM Macabre on August 24, 2008, 08:04:36 AM
There should also be some way to prevent ninja-looting of this place. I have seen characters trying to do it. Going in stealth.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: engelfire on August 24, 2008, 08:26:33 AM
locked chests and only way to open is to kill the main high demonologist and take his key
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ric on August 24, 2008, 11:09:54 AM
Hey, as long as the chests are filled with consistent uber loot, a ninja-loot-prevention setting for that particular dungeon would be awesome.  That last room is absolute hell, so people who actually clear it (Especially on HIGH spawn with those epic consumed demonlogists) should deserve epic gear.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Ric on August 24, 2008, 03:20:06 PM
Was the update for the chests being fixed in for today's update?  I just checked it after the update.  Ultimate spawn, but empty chests.  :cry:
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Zarathustra217 on August 25, 2008, 10:25:48 AM
Was the update for the chests being fixed in for today's update?  I just checked it after the update.  Ultimate spawn, but empty chests.  :cry:

No, not implemented yet. Incoming though, might be fixed later today.
Title: Re: Treasure - Demonologists' chests are empty
Post by: Rex on August 25, 2008, 11:10:37 AM
Was the update for the chests being fixed in for today's update?  I just checked it after the update.  Ultimate spawn, but empty chests.  :cry:

Could be Ultimate Ninja Looter?  Noting actually more then a few Lack Luster Boss Empty treasure chest things. 

~Rex