Ravenloft: Prisoners of the Mist
Suggestions, Feedback & Bug Reports (OOC) => Module Feedback and Suggestions => Topic started by: kenpen on March 04, 2008, 03:50:36 PM
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Alright. So, for the 2nd time, getting to the end after a LONG hard slug, there is nothing in the chests. Nothing at all.
Is this a bug, or intentional? If it's intentional, just take the chests out. Seriously. It was a huge pain to get to the end, and we killed EVERYTHING in the temple, aboleth, other side, middle... everything dead. It was way fun, and cool to say "hey, we killed everything" but, seriously. Put some treasure in the chests, or just take them out. :-P
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Agreed. It was a pain we I made it in the last room with 2 hp and a dead friend. I thought: "Well, at least we reached the chests, might have something good since not many people comes here and it was full spawn". DANG! Empty.
Meh...
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Most likley a bug
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Alright. So, for the 2nd time, getting to the end after a LONG hard slug, there is nothing in the chests. Nothing at all.
Is this a bug, or intentional? If it's intentional, just take the chests out. Seriously. It was a huge pain to get to the end, and we killed EVERYTHING in the temple, aboleth, other side, middle... everything dead. It was way fun, and cool to say "hey, we killed everything" but, seriously. Put some treasure in the chests, or just take them out. :-P
Yes Ravenloft is also about frustration... but experienced the thing like kenpen for the second time (the only times we even got that far and I go to that place really rarely) and with really nothing but the personal gain makes the frustration growing immense... :nonono:
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Yah, I was all wet with excitement, hoping for a Hawke's Longbow or something, and... empty space! After all that forum talk about how the place was supposed to have been made even harder, w/ the abberation distance knockdowns being justified because they were epic/uber items at the end. And nothing? Sheesh.
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Was a challenge, no? That's the point of it.
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Was a challenge, no? That's the point of it.
I really hope you were kidding. If I wanted a challenge without reward I'd tried to run the alhoon dungeon naked and with fists.
And seriosly, if actually i was playing a nwn for a challenge..I'd be wrong. I rather look for challenges IRL.
I play, and i thikn most people do, for a lot of things. D&D isnt about challenge, but challenge-lvl-reward. If you quit one of them, then it becomes pointless.
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Yah, I was all wet with excitement, hoping for a Hawke's Longbow or something, and... empty space! After all that forum talk about how the place was supposed to have been made even harder, w/ the abberation distance knockdowns being justified because they were epic/uber items at the end. And nothing? Sheesh.
Yah, it was fun. First time I've ever cleared the entire thing, top to bottom, and killed everything in it. I mean, we missed one on the way out, and came back in just to kill him. ;) But, still... I'd heard from people the chests were empty every time, and I was hoping they were wrong or mistaken since the conversation had been brought up months ago by other people, and reassurances given.
It's not like the treasure is a huge deal. But if there's a chest, it would seem something should be in it at least some of the time. Even if it's just the hearts of tortured victims or something. I mean, maybe the chests contain nothing, and they're nihilist demonologists or something, which could make sense I guess. ;-)
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Was a challenge, no? That's the point of it.
I bet Ken is feeling better already.
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The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables). And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
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I'd love to see Sroedingers cat inside one of these 'empty' chests - I'd laugh my ass off
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I'd love to see Sroedingers cat inside one of these 'empty' chests - I'd laugh my ass off
haha, priceless...
Anyway, it could be due to ninja looters - dunno, I'll check on it... :)
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Since i can remember, there no loot in those 2 chests after the new loot generate system awhile back.
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The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables). And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
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The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables). And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
This is true, and also why it doesn't matter a huge deal. ;)
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The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables). And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
That's very true. However, I don't think it would be too much to ask if, just once, you open the chest and sitting there is a Bone Phoenix or a One of Many or an Astral Blade +8? :mrgreen:
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The problem with 'challenge' dungeons is that if there's no loot, not even gold, then you're basically wasting resources (scrolls/potions/Any other consumables). And going just for the exp doesn't really cut it, since you can just go and kill Elder Scrags if you want EXP, since they're greater in exp, AND there is a chest that tends to have a reward, even if it's just money, to pay for the efforts.
Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
I still don't like wasting resources if I'm not finding anything in reward. If I had to pick a dungeon to trash with one of my two characters that can handle those two dungeons, I would pick Scrags every time. Why? Because not only is the EXP better, but there's actual loot to be found. It's a waste of time to do a dungeon just to prove yourself. This isn't an MMORPG where you brag about how your team beat the epic dungeon. That dungeon should be respected as a place where awesome events happened in the past, not a place where your friends in game go "All right, let's test ourself at the demonologist lair and see if we can beat it!" like it's "The Gauntlet" or something.
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But it is the guantlet... Funnily enough its a mages paradise and they can solo the joint but fighters may as well go home if they dont have a mage friend.
That Autoknockdown - no save vs. fort or Discipline is just wrong... I still aint happy with it.
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I made half of the dungeon with Gonnar (rogue), Aghila (ranger) , (Khay) Paladin.
THere's always a trick to beat those aberrations. Won't tell you, find out :)
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Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
That is just true for the characters, who collect enormous amounts of coin. There are also characters who don't collect that much. Regno for example never had more then 8k at any time and mostly has under 2k.
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Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
That is just true for the characters, who collect enormous amounts of coin. There are also characters who don't collect that much. Regno for example never had more then 8k at any time and mostly has under 2k.
Also remember rogues, who spend most of the coin in scrolls, that they'll waste later in dungeons....and if not rewarded, it becomes a waste...etc..
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Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
That is just true for the characters, who collect enormous amounts of coin. There are also characters who don't collect that much. Regno for example never had more then 8k at any time and mostly has under 2k.
Also remember rogues, who spend most of the coin in scrolls, that they'll waste later in dungeons....and if not rewarded, it becomes a waste...etc..
Rogues have a limitless amount of coin.
Oh yeh, and i said "usually" ;)
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uhm.. true... :ontome: *hides from the DM's wrath*
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Not saying that I disagree or anything, buuuut. At the time you are able to do the demonologists and scrags you usually got so damn much coin that wasting 10k is liike nothing.
That is just true for the characters, who collect enormous amounts of coin. There are also characters who don't collect that much. Regno for example never had more then 8k at any time and mostly has under 2k.
Also remember rogues, who spend most of the coin in scrolls, that they'll waste later in dungeons....and if not rewarded, it becomes a waste...etc..
Rogues have a limitless amount of coin.
Oh yeh, and i said "usually" ;)
You're talking about evil rogues that steal their mum's coins right?
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If you are a rogue that does steal at all, you should not be good in this setting. Stealing can be worth a DP check ;)
I had a rogue at lvl 4 that was richer than all my other chars put together at that time... Earning money as one is the easiest thing to do, even if you dont steal from your mommys cookie jar ;)
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Killed them the other day, and - hey - they still keep nothing in their chests. ;)
Overall, though, I've noticed that the loot has been getting better on higher spawns. Still very hard to get them. ;)
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this is good place for some dm enhanced rp moments too. bring in the next generation corvus !
however though, its pretty dangerous to just go lurk around and start rp with em demons and them summoners. prolly eat you no matter what
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if dm's allow, i could make a new character who would be demonologist :D
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WE got at ton of areas that positively reek with RP possibilities..
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Still no loot in the last/only chests! Ever! ;)
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Alright, I'll look into this while I'm trying to figure out what broke the lich tower
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Alright, I'll look into this while I'm trying to figure out what broke the lich tower
Cheers Blue, you rock. :rock:
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Discovered the reason for this bug and fixed it: 2 of the waypoints had incorrect names for treasuries and one had no chest blueprint specified (so it wasn't appearing).
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yay! Right on time. Now that I'm level 14 I can get a party and go there *smiles, impending doom ahead*
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There should also be some way to prevent ninja-looting of this place. I have seen characters trying to do it. Going in stealth.
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locked chests and only way to open is to kill the main high demonologist and take his key
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Hey, as long as the chests are filled with consistent uber loot, a ninja-loot-prevention setting for that particular dungeon would be awesome. That last room is absolute hell, so people who actually clear it (Especially on HIGH spawn with those epic consumed demonlogists) should deserve epic gear.
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Was the update for the chests being fixed in for today's update? I just checked it after the update. Ultimate spawn, but empty chests. :cry:
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Was the update for the chests being fixed in for today's update? I just checked it after the update. Ultimate spawn, but empty chests. :cry:
No, not implemented yet. Incoming though, might be fixed later today.
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Was the update for the chests being fixed in for today's update? I just checked it after the update. Ultimate spawn, but empty chests. :cry:
Could be Ultimate Ninja Looter? Noting actually more then a few Lack Luster Boss Empty treasure chest things.
~Rex