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Neutral Evil clerics of the Lawgiver?
APorg:
So here's a question that I've kind of always wondered about the Lawgiver. I guess it might have been answered before, but I couldn't find a related topic elsewhere.
The roleplay resources say that only Lawful Evil and Lawful Neutral clerics follow the Lawgiver. http://www.nwnravenloft.com/forum/index.php?topic=12803.0
--- Quote ---Alignment: Lawful evil or lawful neutral. Those of authority in the Church’s hierarchy are almost uniformly lawful evil. Lawful neutral worshippers are often seen as “liberal” or “permissive” by their peers and are unlikely to climb high in the ranks of the Church.
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NE isn't broached at all, and since it says that the only real exception to the "uniformly" LE Church are the "liberal" LNs, this implies there are no NE clerics of the Lawgiver. Makes sense, he's the LAWgiver, after all. It's nonetheless technically possible by the one step rule for a NE cleric to be a legitimate cleric of the Lawgiver, right? (Or wrong?)
Would a NE Lawgiver cleric be able to cast spells? Would they be a heretic in the eyes of the Lawgiver church? (I'd presume so?)
Anyone care to offer some clear opinions or facts on the question to enlighten me? :)
MAB77:
In the books, it is very clear that the priesthood of the Lawgiver is universally lawful. I often see that as not because a NE cleric of the Lawgiver could not be, but because they are ruthlessly hunted down for heresy.
Technically a NE lawgiver priest isn't against the alignment rule. I'll go a step further. We clearly consider oocly that Bane IS the Lawgiver. As a NE faerunian banite would still get spells, I see no reasons for a NE Lawgiver cleric to lose theirs. Not immediately anyway. But clearly, said cleric's actions would be perceived as heretical if he does not hide its unlawful nature and he would be ruthlessly hunted down as such once it is known. I suspect such cleric would likely be more at risk to make a transgression worthy of a fall from grace in the eyes of the Lawgiver faith. But that alone is not just a question of alignment.
Of course was I an Iron Inquisitor knowing your true nature, I'd certainly consider you fell from grace already and Myterri is granting you your spells.
APorg:
But there's no easy way to detect a lack of Lawful alignment, right?
You can detect Chaos with "Detect Evil"? But I don't think you can detect Law (and, therefore, the lack of Law)?
Means all Alignment deduction has to be done through IC observation and guess work. Sounds fun :P
Arawn:
There could easily be a NE priest of the Lawgiver. One who mercilessly exploits the hierarchy and will cheerfully violate rules when they think they won't get caught. Yes, they risk a lot by doing so. But like all NE chars, it's a cost/benefit analysis.
BraveSirRobin:
--- Quote from: aprogressivist on July 10, 2018, 08:35:03 PM ---But there's no easy way to detect a lack of Lawful alignment, right?
You can detect Chaos with "Detect Evil"? But I don't think you can detect Law (and, therefore, the lack of Law)?
Means all Alignment deduction has to be done through IC observation and guess work. Sounds fun :P
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If you were a Blackguard in service to the Church, you can Detect Law, and in turn, you could theoretically sniff it out. I believe there are a few PC's that are Blackguards within the Church, or working closely with it. I wouldn't put it beyond an Inquisitor to keep one near just for the sake of sniffing out that specific detail, as Inquisitors are both politically powerful within and without the Church AFAIK.
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