None Lethal RAGE

[Mayvind]

I think the most frustrate is that surviving the fight but ran out of heal potion and died from Rage worn off. Would it be possible to script Rage worn off but is none lethal and only reduce you to 0 hp and can recover from it after a turn. With the huge CON lost even with decent HP left you can in fact be dead instantly frustrate if you won the battle but cannot avoid death. 

[Troukk]

The salvation domain script takes all your hp except 1. Maybe a similar script/mechanic can be used when barbarian rage runs out?

[booksarefun666]

If that somehow could happen to endurance potions they'd finally be useful.

[Syl]

heheeh Rage and buff Con, at your own risk. The warnings come after the spells.

[k_moustakas]

I don't mind, the whole idea of rage is it makes you reckless. Remember if you didn't have it activated, you'd be dead already anyway!

[Mailbox-2100]

I -love- having to scramble for some sweet, sweet healing nectar after a close fought battle-
watching the rage buff icons flicker as its about to go out!

Yeah.

Its great.


Whenever it gets you, though.. and you have to watch yourself fail countless Death Saves in a row. And then walk through the fugue state. And look at a stain where you were trying to have fun. It feels like number 1 bull$#!&. 

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Come on, Mayvind!

[Jeebs]

Think of it as you're basically already dead. You're bleeding out but the adrenaline and fury is keeping you going. Then the fight is over and they wear off and you suddenly collapse like a runner at the end of a marathon. It does suck though, I agree. Once I went down at 0 hp... and because I had drank an endurance potion, I wound up dying before I went through all my recovery rolls. All I could do is laugh while I cursed my luck.

[Iridni Ren]

Couldn't it kill you even after you stabilize? That would really be a kick in the tush.

[lakhena]

Yes.  My PC has died after stabilizing to 0 and before I could hit "stand up."  I used to think it was a bug until someone explained it to me.  I don't use endurance potions or buffs anymore, just in case.

[TheFury]

Same thing goes for Tenser's. The best part is if you get knocked down when you have a con buff up and the game glitches and drops all your spells so you immediately get badly impaired despite having a full 2 hours of duration left. I never use con stuff, ever, apart from Tenser's and even that's a carefully calculated risk.

[Iridni Ren]

I don't have a strong feeling about this, but here's my inclination:

* For barbarians, Jeebs' point makes sense. All they're using is their own physical capacity. (Plus I think as a class barbarians are plenty strong as is.)

* For the magical enhancements, I sort of think the potion or spell wearing off should not kill/corpse you because it's magic. It wasn't your body pushing itself beyond its limits, but an external infusion of power. When it goes away, you lose the magic...not your regular old you.

Not going to fite anybody over this, though

[Jeebs]

Well, in the instance of magic just take my earlier comment and replace adrenaline and fury with magical power. All that's keeping you alive is the magic of the spell or potion, and then it wears off. If you were conscious you could just recast it or drink another potion but since you're not it fades and you bleed out. Or worse is if you've expended all your spells and potions. In that case it's just a tactical error on your part. Just playing devil's advocate here. I wouldn't complain if there was a system that prevented this but I don't really care one way or another.

[bocian]

Bumping this; would anyone from the team consider this issue?

[Arawn]

This is an aspect of the class, not a bug in the game engine. It is a well-established rule in Dungeons and Dragons 3.5, and the risk is the drawback of what is otherwise an immensely powerful character. As far as I know, we don't intend to change it.

[Dud_Goose]

The odd endurance potion/spell is useful for chugging before a long jog.  Usually that trek from Vallaki to MC.