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Laws of Dementlieu?
« on: September 11, 2011, 10:46:05 AM »
A list of laws somewhere would be nice, maybe even on a placeable like vallaki has?

Does one exist?

Murder, assault, Drugs, slavery.. all that stuff? Anyone?

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2011, 10:51:59 AM »
Political crimes, necromancy, just to add to the commonsensical ones... yes I agree they would be needed.

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2011, 05:53:32 PM »
http://www.nwnravenloft.com/forum/index.php?topic=20041.0

The discussion here establishes some things that are laws according to canon, and some things that are guessed/assumed/reasonable to be.
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 12:53:26 PM »
I am reposting what I said in the other thread, these are the law, that I know of.  I would like to have more information upon the laws of dementlieu and what not, considering I play a gendarme and should know the laws >.>

 :arrow: Falkovinians can not enter public buildings, gazetter III, Eo defined public buildings as "A building owned by the Government, so places like the Museum, Ruling Palace, Great Library, Dock Office, Government Food Suppliers and uhm, other areas of the sort."

 :arrow: illegal to sell guns to falkovinians along the prey road, gazetter III

 :arrow: the punishment for murder is death, EO

 :arrow: The punishment for Necromancy is death, EO

 :arrow: heavy duty explosives are illegal for the general public, ie bombs, gunpowder kegs. EO

 :arrow: all forms of artistic expression is to be done in high mordentish, Gazetter III

 :arrow: it is illegal to carry weapons in administrative buildings, IG NPC clerk

 :arrow: opium is an illegal substance, IG experince with the other NPC gendarme in events.

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 05:16:22 PM »
With the port being active lately; is it possible for the laws and the legal system to be posted IG so that people know about them? I would love for the laws to exist in the port.

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 05:37:07 PM »
When the laws of Barovia were added to Vallaki on tablets in game for all to see, it really helped the rp and dynamics.  The same would surely apply to the port if this were done in locations such as, near the bounty board which is one of the first things seen when entering the city, at the bounty claim office and before the main genderme building on the waterfront in Publique.


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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 07:34:14 PM »
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When the laws of Barovia were added to Vallaki on tablets in game for all to see, it really helped the rp and dynamics.  The same would surely apply to the port if this were done in locations such as, near the bounty board which is one of the first things seen when entering the city, at the bounty claim office and before the main genderme building on the waterfront in Publique.

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 08:39:45 PM »
I think it'd be hard to get all the laws onto one board, as Dementlieu is a crowned republic (so you'd have to set about actually DEFINING its entire constitution somewhere), and one must understand that there's a lot of bureaucracy surrounding the acquisition of licenses or the acquisition of citizenship, which would naturally also be a part of the laws. Plus, I think most of what would be laws in Dementlieu beside what Herkles has written down would be something of common sense, anyway.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dementlieuse law would be too complex to be fully written down in one place, and I think it is better explained and defined by NPCs like the non-player gendarmes and the lawyer NPCs like Gerarde La Pomme.

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:arrow: all forms of artistic expression is to be done in High Mordentish, Gazetter III

Going to be ignoring this one, sorry. It does more to basically disrupt roleplay than actually help it. Until there are actually more High Mordentish actors like one would expect Dementlieu to have, all my plays will be done in Common, forever, until the end of time. Enforcing this law in Dementlieu, even though it's canon, would more or less kill any RP bards have been able to generate in the Port in the past, even if they did know High Mordentish (because who wants to go see a play that you cannot even understand?).

Edit: I think all that needs to be done is that players need to be reminded of the fact that Dementlieu is republican in the same sense that Venice and Genoa were both republics (the Dementlieuse government, more or less, is modeled directly after the Venetian Republic, if you study it closely). Other than that, it is essentially ancien regime France. So speaking out against the government in too vocal a fashion would probably have you seen as a dissident against the legitimate authority elected by the gentry.
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2011, 09:57:23 PM »
I don't think you'd have /all/ the laws posted publicly in the Port, they aren't in Vallaki either.  What is posted in Vallaki are the sort of laws most pcs are going to encounter such as murder, theft and a few laws particular to the domain.  I would see the port as being similar because again, the most frequently dealt with laws for most pcs will regard similar subjects- murder, assault, theft, magic use and so on.  More in depth bureaucracy could be handled via Dms/Npcs ic as arises like it is being handled now, such as the particulars of becoming a citizen of the Port.





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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2011, 01:36:50 AM »
I decided to create a set of laws for the port on my own time, so that maybe the dms can look at them and see if they work or not. will make this clear straight away so I do not get yelled at for just presenting ideas: THESE ARE JUST IDEAS  These are just a set of ideas I had, because despite waiting nearly a year, I haven't seen much of a law system, so I thought of helping out this way.  I did break the laws up into chunks in hope that makes reading them much easier, as well as made a short 'general law' that is basicly what people might get as they walk into the city, the laws and things you might learn right away.

My intention with this is ultimatly several things, to see law factions/groups exist((ie PC judges/lawyers and the gendarme)), for criminal factions/groups to emerge((got to know the laws if you want to break them)), and to just help out with dementlieu. I think that having these groups, which obviously would be greatly helped with via a law system, would make the port more fun :)

I placed each chunk of the laws in spoilers, so you only have to read one section at a time. please give me feed back on what I have created and came up with.  

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Legal system
In short the legal system of dementlieu is simple, yet despite its supposed simplicity it is obviously not perfect. For those in power are favored over those not; the wealthy favored over the poor; noblity over the commoners. For a number of crimes, they will not go through the courts as it is a simple matter of paying the fine or spending a night in jail/doing hard labor. But for when they do, the legal system of dementlieu takes over.

 As the judge decides the ultimate punishment in the legal system of dementlieu, it is possible that someone accused of murder can walk free if the judge has enough reason behind it. Just the same, someone accused of the same crime may be punished; perhaps in a different manner. example: a judge can declare someone who is would be put to death normally, permentally banished from the republic.

 :arrow: Each trial is presided over by a judge, who has his authority granted by the council of brilliance; judges often demand payment from the lawyers/parties involved.
 :arrow: Each trial has two lawyers, one defending the accused and one not.
 :arrow: it goes back and forth presenting evidence and stating claims till the judge declares that trial is over
 :arrow: the judge then renders his/her verdict and it is carried out.


Laws of Dementlieu
GENERAL LAW
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1. theft is punished by a fine of 200-600 solars
2. arson, murder, assassination, are all illegal
3. a licenses is needed to own a business or a building
4. drugs are forbidden to be sold, fined if you do.
5. Falkovinians are not allowed to own weapons.
6. Falkovinians are not allowed in public facilities without an armed escort.
7. Seditious activity against the republic is not allowed
8. there is freedom of religion, of the press, of property and speech
9. It is possible to become a citizen of dementlieu if you marry one, fill out the property legal documentation, or are born of one who already has it.


Rights of a citizen of dementlieu
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Rights of a citizen of dementlieu
1. All people born to Dementlieuse parents are citizens of dementlieu; furthermore anyone who marries a Dementlieuse is granted the rights as per their spouse.
2. Those of foreign nationalities who wish to become a citizen of Dementlieu can do so after declaring with the government their decision to do so and filling out the proper forms.
3. A foreigner shall enjoy in Dementlieu the same civil rights as are or shall be accorded to Dementlieuse by the treaties of that nation to which such foreigner shall belong.
4. All citizens of Dementlieu are granted the right to vote
5. all citizens have a right to freedom of speech and the press,
 1. exception to law 5: statements that are against the legal ordained council are forbidden.
6. Citizens have the right to property.
7. Citizens have the right to worship what they please.
 1. Due to the majority of the populace following the Ezrite faith, it is considered the official religion.
8. Education will be publicly funded for those who seek to earn an education.


CONTRACT LAW
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1. A contract is an agreement which binds one or more persons, towards another or several others, to give, to do, or not to do something.
2. Four conditions are essential to the validity of an agreement:
  1. The consent of the party who binds himself;
  2. His capacity to contract;
  3. A certain object forming the matter of the contract;
   4. A lawful cause in the bond.  
3. There can be no valid consent if such consent have been given through magic, or have been extorted through violence or surreptitiously obtained by fraud.
4. Marriage is also a contract, and as such it follows the previous stated requirements.
5. The right of opposing the celebration of marriage belongs to the persons and parties connected by marriage with one of the two contracting parties.
6. Adoption is permitted to persons of either sex who are citizens of the republic of dementlieu and are well of.


PROPERTY LAW
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1. Property is defined as all items, objects, money, or a location.
2. No one can compel another to give up their property, unless said individual has committed a crime that punishes them with loss of property.
3. Succession is opened upon death of the individual, or permanent banishment from dementlieu.
4. The heirs are bound by the debts and charges on the succession.
5. To own any locations in the republic, you must have a legal document saying that it is in yours or your parties ownership.
6. It is up to the owner of the property when it is a location if other individuals are allowed to enter or not.
7. Falkovinians do not have the right of entering a governmental facility without the escort of armed government agents.


8. TRADE LAW
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1. All business require proper documentation to start and conduct business.
2. The following persons are forbidden to become purchasers, either by themselves or by the intervention of others, on pain of nullity:
 1.Falkovinians
 2.People serving out their crime
 3.the mentally ill
3. Every thing which is the object of commerce may be sold, where particular laws have not prohibited the alienation thereof.
4. It is against the law to sell items that are considered illegal substances or governmental official items; these include the following:
5. drugs and similar substances
6. governmental uniforms, documents, keys and personal effects of those who work for the government
7. military grade weapons, including but not limited to bombs, cannons, and artillery
8. the buying and selling of individuals is against the law; as is owning them.


MAJOR CRIMES
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1. EVERY Dementlieuse , who shall have borne arms against Dementlieu, shall be punished with death and his property will be confiscated by the government.
2. Whoever shall have practiced any machinations, or kept up any understanding with foreign powers, or their agents, to induce them to commit hostilities, or undertake war against Dementlieu, or to procure them the means of doing so, shall be punished with death, and his property shall be confiscated.
3. An attempt or plot against the life, or against the person of the Lord-Governor or the council of Brilliance, is a crime of high treason (lèse majesté); this crime is punishable with death; and, moreover, infers the confiscation of property.
4. Every attempt or plot, the object of which shall be , either to to excite civil war or armed uprisings,  or to carry devastation, massacre, and pillage into one or more towns and locals shall be punished with death furthermore the offenders will have their property confiscated
5. Whoever shall have set fire to, or destroyed by the explosion with magic, any buildings, arsenals, ships, or other property belonging to the republic, shall be punished with death and confiscation of property .
6. Those who, either by discourses pronounced in public places or meetings, or by bills posted up, or by printed writings, shall have directly excited the citizens or inhabitants to commit the crimes and plots mentioned in the present section, shall be punished as guilty of those crimes or plots
 1. Nevertheless, in the cases where these incitements shall not have been followed by any effect, the actors thereof shall only be punished with banishment.
7. Every person guilty of assassination, or poisoning, shall be punished with death
8.  Whoever, by any writing, anonymous or signed, shall have threatened any one with assassination, poisoning, or any other personal assault, punishable with death or perpetual hard labor for time
 1. However if such actions were not carried out then a fine of 100-600 solars shall be issued.
9. If the threat was verbal, then they shall be punished with the same crime as if they ordered it in writing.
 1. However if nothing comes of said action then nothing is to occur to the one who issued such a statement.
10. Those who commit the black arts; defined as necromancy, infernalism and demonology, shall be punished by death and their property confiscated.


MINOR CRIMES
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1. very individual, who shall have given any wounds or blows to another individual that has harmed them in a grievous manner, shall be punished with a jail time, and a fine of 100-600 solars.
 1. If one is however dueling, then one does not comite the above crime. Duels to the death though are punished as acts of killing another person and thus a major crime.
2. There is neither crime when the homicide, wounds, and blows, were ordained by the law, and commanded by lawful authority.
3. There is neither crime when the homicide, wounds, and blows, were commanded by the actual necessity of lawful self-defense, or defense of another person.
2. any individual guilty of theft,  shall be punished by a fine of 200-600 solars or with hard labor.
3. Whoever shall willfully burn or destroy, by any means whatever, any registers, minutes, or original acts of public authority; any deeds, notes, bills of exchange, banking or commercial papers, containing or operating any obligation, conveyance, or release; shall be punished as with hard labor, jail time, and a fine of 500 or more solars depending on the document that was destroyed.
4. The possession of illegal substances shall be a punished with a fine of 50-100 solars and a single night stay at the jails.
5. Whoever shall have counterfeited or altered the silver or gold coin, legally current in Dementlieu; or shall have taken part in the issue or uttering of such counterfeit or altered coin; or in bringing the same within the Dementlieuse territory, shall be punished with fine of twice the coin that was counterfeited.
6. The penalty of perpetual hard labour shall be inflicted upon every individual guilty of theft, committed by means of violence as well as restitution to the victim.
7. Whoever shall wilfully set destroy to any buildings, ships, boats, warehouses, dock or timber yards; woods, underwoods, or crops, either standing or cut down; and whether the wood be in heaps or cords, and the crops in heaps or stacks; or to combustible materials, so placed as to communicate the fire to such objects, or any of them; shall be punished with death.
8. Any who shall take another against the individual's will, shall be sentinced to hard labor and given a fine of 300-800 solars.
 1. If violence was used to take the individual by force then they shall be subject the punishment befitting violence as laid out above.
9. Whoever shall willfully destroy or throw down, by any means whatever, in whole or in part, any buildings, bridges, piers, or cause-ways; or any other constructions which belong to others; shall be punished with hard labor, in addition he shall be punished with a fine equal to at least half of the destroyed building's monetary worth.
 
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2011, 11:14:26 AM »
I am somewhat reluctant about giving people freedom of speech, the press, and expression, even with the caveat you put below it - republics are not automatically democracies. Plus, it probably should be mentioned that the Councilor of the Arts, by law, is given the ability to censor art as he pleases.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2011, 11:22:29 AM »
Yeah, Dementlieu is Aristo-Plutocratic Republic like Venice was in real life - essentially it is a nobles, voting nobles to run/administrate as they see fit (so poor people/burghers are kinda left up to their mercies and generally not thought of in happy terms.

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2011, 11:28:55 AM »
There is freedom of speech to an extent in Dementlieu

that is where the freedom of speech and stuff comes from, if others think it should not be there then I can remove that as a 'right'. what do others think about the other laws?

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2011, 02:15:19 PM »
Anyone else's comments on the laws? I would not mind hearing what some of the DMs think of the ideas I posted for the laws of dementlieu.

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2011, 02:20:47 PM »
I'd say that Dementlieu would probably have their laws written down in books, especially since they have an in-game printing shop, instead of posting on a tacky sign. Dementliuese are probably mostly literate and sophisticated, and this would better mirror a more contemporary culture.

Edited to add:

Found a bit here that I think may be relevant.

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The lord-governor’s duties include writing and enforcing laws, promoting the arts, administrating the realm’s public institutions, appointing criminal judges and civil magistrates, and personally adjudicating important trials.

Also, since Dementlieu is based off of Renassaince France, you might want to take a quick peek at the justice system of that time for ideas.
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2011, 02:54:22 PM »
As for the laws you have written, my thoughts are as follows:

Theft should be subject to a fine plus restitution.

Seditious activity is treason and always punishable by death. (Though I see you later spell it out below.)

Citizens have the right to education and housing? Is there a free government-run school? Is it mandatory, if so? How is housing a right? Does the government have some sort of shelter system? Near as far as I can tell, the Halites are taking that upon themselves, to an extent.

Citizens have the right to worship as they please? While I don't argue to the contrary, everything I've read about Dementlieu has been completely apathetic to religion. I'd be surprised if they even bothered to specifically offer that as a right. "Religion is rarely part of the life of a citizen of Dementlieu. Strong faith is seen as weakness amongst the aristocracy. Even the poor tend to only turn to religion in times of hardship."

I'd avoid using the term, military-grade, as I believe it's rather anachronistic.

I see nothing about robbery (which is a different from theft), rape, counterfeiting currency, kidnapping, destruction of private property, or fraudulent activities.
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2011, 05:11:32 PM »
Citizens have the right to education and housing? Is there a free government-run school? Is it mandatory, if so? How is housing a right? Does the government have some sort of shelter system? Near as far as I can tell, the Halites are taking that upon themselves, to an extent.

There most certainly are not. There aren't even orphanages, only privately owned work houses. The government food-providers won't even give food to children, because it would undermine the viability of child labor. So, no, there aren't any schools for _any_ citizen. Only private tutors or tuition-charging schools, like the university. Most of the nobles wouldn't even believe that the poor _can_ be educated, as they come from weaker bloodlines.
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2011, 05:29:21 PM »
Quote from: gazetteer 3 on dementlieu
Ever since the deposing of Lord-governor Foquelaine in 707 BC, the noblity has funded the provision of basic food and housing for those without work. This benevolence is often cited by the arisocracy as a demonstration of dementlieu's civil advancment; a closer examantion of the hard dry bread, watery gruel, and overcrowded tenements that are provided sugest that the noblity is doing the absolute minium required to prevent a repeat of the 707 rebellion.

the lord-governor provides basic schooling for all young children, no matter how poor.

they have them, it certainly would not be great and the minimum but it is there.

Though good catch on the other stuff ethinos, I will add them later.  I will not add rape though, mostly because I do not think that sort of rp is warranted on the server.  I am curious though what term would you use instead of military-grade?

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2011, 05:59:33 PM »
I've read in many places that the nobility takes it upon themselves to be generous (to a small degree) and provide such food and housing (as they see fit) because it's the 'in thing' and to prevent a lower class uprising. It's probably more of a personal charity effort rather than anything government sponsored, and thus probably not a 'right'. Same goes for the young child 'education', which I'm curious as to how far that goes. It's probably more of an opportunity than a right as well.

I'm pretty sure rape does happen on this server, though it's the 'fade to black' and victim-player-allowed type. Also, it's best to plan for all possibilities, even unlikely ones.

As for the miltary-grade part, EO used the term 'heavy-duty explosives' in an earlier post. That can be anything more powerful than a firework (which is probably borderline illegal anyways, haha).
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2011, 06:29:50 PM »
The description there is definitely not how the city is implemented on the server. At least the part about children. So, RPing it otherwise seems contrary to the decisions made by the dev and DM teams. It also, frankly, doesn't make any sense given the rest of the atmosphere of the domain. The housing and food, perhaps, but the schooling is completely out of line with the ideas of the time and place it's modeled after and the mentality of the nobility, as presented. Educating the poor was up until _very_ recently, and even still to a degree, viewed as risky business that would likely lead to a revolt or the degradation of high society. Seems like a romanticized adjustment on the part of the Gazetteer authors to me. Either that or they're conflating the ideas of _publicly funded_ education and education which is _available (for free) to the public_. Napoleon's system provided education that was partially funded by the public, but which required tuition, because he "felt that the bourgeoisie and upper classes should be educated above all others because they were his most important political supporters"[1]. French primary education wasn't made free until 1833 (only for boys)[2], and  primary and secondary for both genders between 1881 and 1882[3].
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2011, 06:47:12 PM »
Partially off-topic, even though it is about Dementlieu and has to deal with social mores which might affect laws:

I've seen people behave as though armor is obsolete, due to the utilization of the musket and the cannon by the Dementlieuse armed forces. It's not. The cuirass, a type of armor, was worn well up into the 17th century, and it's not like people stopped using slashing weapons because more advanced nations like Dementlieu prefer to use rapiers. If Dementlieu's army is modeled on any pre-Enlightened era army in Europe, they would probably have cavalrymen in heavy armor, along with heavily-armored pikemen. There is a term for the type of warfare from the Renaissance up until the Napoleonic Era, it's called "pike and shot".

Rather, the reason wearing armor is frowned upon in Port-a-Lucine is because the nicer districts aren't some sort of warzone, there aren't monsters going to strike at you from Ezra-only-knows where, and the gendarmes keep the peace, so wearing armor seems silly and somewhat suspicious. Armor is not necessarily outdated.
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2011, 06:56:40 PM »
Armor is more likely out of fashion with the nobles than anything else, similar to what you said. They have soldiers and guards to do the grunt work, and wear the ugly, heavy, smelly armor. Nobles would much rather wear their finery. Anyone wearing armor is probably looked down upon if they aren't actively engaged with defending something.

Armor didn't really fall out of use until after the firearm became the standard weapon (which made armor obsolete until ballistic armor was introduced) in combat.
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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2011, 07:06:15 PM »
Fun fact from a guy who studies history for a living: the gendarme, from a historical perspective, were what came after knights in military history in most of Europe, but particularly France. They had lances, heavy cuirasses, and were your fairly typical heavy cavalry.

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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2011, 08:07:34 PM »
Thanks for that vixen :) I was going on what existed in canon so, good to know that. I would be surprised if there were not orphanages though, the conditions living in them would be crap in many cases, but I would think that some would exist in the port, but it would likely be private organzations doing it, such as the halans, but not the government.

I removed housing, food and education as a right. I stated that education is publicaly funded though. Which probaly fits better with the idea that the lord-governor,and thus dominic, have education publically supported so their supporters can be brought up with an education; similar to what napoleon did.  I also added a number of minor crimes; from the suggestions that ethinos had.

feedback is welcome as always.

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Laws of Dementlieu
GENERAL LAW
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1. theft is punished by a fine of 200-600 solars
2. arson, murder, assassination, are all illegal
3. a licenses is needed to own a business or a building
4. drugs are forbidden to be sold, fined if you do.
5. Falkovinians are not allowed to own weapons.
6. Falkovinians are not allowed in public facilities without an armed escort.
7. Seditious activity against the republic is not allowed
8. there is freedom of religion, of the press, of property and speech
9. It is possible to become a citizen of dementlieu if you marry one, fill out the property legal documentation, or are born of one who already has it.


Rights of a citizen of dementlieu
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Rights of a citizen of dementlieu
1. All people born to Dementlieuse parents are citizens of dementlieu; furthermore anyone who marries a Dementlieuse is granted the rights as per their spouse.
2. Those of foreign nationalities who wish to become a citizen of Dementlieu can do so after declaring with the government their decision to do so and filling out the proper forms.
3. A foreigner shall enjoy in Dementlieu the same civil rights as are or shall be accorded to Dementlieuse by the treaties of that nation to which such foreigner shall belong.
4. All citizens of Dementlieu are granted the right to vote
5. all citizens have a right to freedom of speech and the press,
 1. exception to law 5: statements that are against the legal ordained council are forbidden.
6. Citizens have the right to property.
7. Citizens have the right to worship what they please.
 1. Due to the majority of the populace following the Ezrite faith, it is considered the official religion.
8. Education will be publicly funded for those who seek to earn an education.


CONTRACT LAW
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1. A contract is an agreement which binds one or more persons, towards another or several others, to give, to do, or not to do something.
2. Four conditions are essential to the validity of an agreement:
  1. The consent of the party who binds himself;
  2. His capacity to contract;
  3. A certain object forming the matter of the contract;
   4. A lawful cause in the bond.  
3. There can be no valid consent if such consent have been given through magic, or have been extorted through violence or surreptitiously obtained by fraud.
4. Marriage is also a contract, and as such it follows the previous stated requirements.
5. The right of opposing the celebration of marriage belongs to the persons and parties connected by marriage with one of the two contracting parties.
6. Adoption is permitted to persons of either sex who are citizens of the republic of dementlieu and are well of.


PROPERTY LAW
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1. Property is defined as all items, objects, money, or a location.
2. No one can compel another to give up their property, unless said individual has committed a crime that punishes them with loss of property.
3. Succession is opened upon death of the individual, or permanent banishment from dementlieu.
4. The heirs are bound by the debts and charges on the succession.
5. To own any locations in the republic, you must have a legal document saying that it is in yours or your parties ownership.
6. It is up to the owner of the property when it is a location if other individuals are allowed to enter or not.
7. Falkovinians do not have the right of entering a governmental facility without the escort of armed government agents.


8. TRADE LAW
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1. All business require proper documentation to start and conduct business.
2. The following persons are forbidden to become purchasers, either by themselves or by the intervention of others, on pain of nullity:
 1.Falkovinians
 2.People serving out their crime
 3.the mentally ill
3. Every thing which is the object of commerce may be sold, where particular laws have not prohibited the alienation thereof.
4. It is against the law to sell items that are considered illegal substances or governmental official items; these include the following:
5. drugs and similar substances
6. governmental uniforms, documents, keys and personal effects of those who work for the government
7. military grade weapons, including but not limited to bombs, cannons, and artillery
8. the buying and selling of individuals is against the law; as is owning them.


MAJOR CRIMES
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1. EVERY Dementlieuse , who shall have borne arms against Dementlieu, shall be punished with death and his property will be confiscated by the government.
2. Whoever shall have practiced any machinations, or kept up any understanding with foreign powers, or their agents, to induce them to commit hostilities, or undertake war against Dementlieu, or to procure them the means of doing so, shall be punished with death, and his property shall be confiscated.
3. An attempt or plot against the life, or against the person of the Lord-Governor or the council of Brilliance, is a crime of high treason (lèse majesté); this crime is punishable with death; and, moreover, infers the confiscation of property.
4. Every attempt or plot, the object of which shall be , either to to excite civil war or armed uprisings,  or to carry devastation, massacre, and pillage into one or more towns and locals shall be punished with death furthermore the offenders will have their property confiscated
5. Whoever shall have set fire to, or destroyed by the explosion with magic, any buildings, arsenals, ships, or other property belonging to the republic, shall be punished with death and confiscation of property .
6. Those who, either by discourses pronounced in public places or meetings, or by bills posted up, or by printed writings, shall have directly excited the citizens or inhabitants to commit the crimes and plots mentioned in the present section, shall be punished as guilty of those crimes or plots
 1. Nevertheless, in the cases where these incitements shall not have been followed by any effect, the actors thereof shall only be punished with banishment.
7. Every person guilty of assassination, or poisoning, shall be punished with death
8.  Whoever, by any writing, anonymous or signed, shall have threatened any one with assassination, poisoning, or any other personal assault, punishable with death or perpetual hard labor for time
 1. However if such actions were not carried out then a fine of 100-600 solars shall be issued.
9. If the threat was verbal, then they shall be punished with the same crime as if they ordered it in writing.
 1. However if nothing comes of said action then nothing is to occur to the one who issued such a statement.
10. Those who commit the black arts; defined as necromancy, infernalism and demonology, shall be punished by death and their property confiscated.


MINOR CRIMES
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1. very individual, who shall have given any wounds or blows to another individual that has harmed them in a grievous manner, shall be punished with a jail time, and a fine of 100-600 solars.
 1. If one is however dueling, then one does not comite the above crime. Duels to the death though are punished as acts of killing another person and thus a major crime.
2. There is neither crime when the homicide, wounds, and blows, were ordained by the law, and commanded by lawful authority.
3. There is neither crime when the homicide, wounds, and blows, were commanded by the actual necessity of lawful self-defense, or defense of another person.
2. any individual guilty of theft,  shall be punished by a fine of 200-600 solars or with hard labor.
3. Whoever shall willfully burn or destroy, by any means whatever, any registers, minutes, or original acts of public authority; any deeds, notes, bills of exchange, banking or commercial papers, containing or operating any obligation, conveyance, or release; shall be punished as with hard labor, jail time, and a fine of 500 or more solars depending on the document that was destroyed.
4. The possession of illegal substances shall be a punished with a fine of 50-100 solars and a single night stay at the jails.
5. Whoever shall have counterfeited or altered the silver or gold coin, legally current in Dementlieu; or shall have taken part in the issue or uttering of such counterfeit or altered coin; or in bringing the same within the Dementlieuse territory, shall be punished with fine of twice the coin that was counterfeited.
6. The penalty of perpetual hard labour shall be inflicted upon every individual guilty of theft, committed by means of violence as well as restitution to the victim.
7. Whoever shall wilfully set destroy to any buildings, ships, boats, warehouses, dock or timber yards; woods, underwoods, or crops, either standing or cut down; and whether the wood be in heaps or cords, and the crops in heaps or stacks; or to combustible materials, so placed as to communicate the fire to such objects, or any of them; shall be punished with death.
8. Any who shall take another against the individual's will, shall be sentinced to hard labor and given a fine of 300-800 solars.
 1. If violence was used to take the individual by force then they shall be subject the punishment befitting violence as laid out above.
9. Whoever shall willfully destroy or throw down, by any means whatever, in whole or in part, any buildings, bridges, piers, or cause-ways; or any other constructions which belong to others; shall be punished with hard labor, in addition he shall be punished with a fine equal to at least half of the destroyed building's monetary worth.
 


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Re: Laws of Dementlieu?
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2011, 11:56:46 AM »
*bump* I am still curious what others, particularly DMs and devs might think of the ones I posted? As without laws, even if they are supposed to be common sense, not everyone has the same view of common sense as the next person.  

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Laws of Dementlieu
GENERAL LAW(ie the laws that are posted on the bulleten boards or printed in books for all to see.)
Spoiler: show
 
1. theft is punished by a fine of 200-600 solars
2. arson, murder, assassination, are all illegal
3. a licenses is needed to own a business or a building
4. drugs are forbidden to be sold, fined if you do.
5. Falkovinians are not allowed to own weapons.
6. Falkovinians are not allowed in public facilities without an armed escort.
7. Seditious activity against the republic is not allowed
8. there is freedom of religion, of the press, of property and speech
9. It is possible to become a citizen of dementlieu if you marry one, fill out the property legal documentation, or are born of one who already has it.


Rights of a citizen of dementlieu
Spoiler: show
 
Rights of a citizen of dementlieu
1. All people born to Dementlieuse parents are citizens of dementlieu; furthermore anyone who marries a Dementlieuse is granted the rights as per their spouse.
2. Those of foreign nationalities who wish to become a citizen of Dementlieu can do so after declaring with the government their decision to do so and filling out the proper forms.
3. A foreigner shall enjoy in Dementlieu the same civil rights as are or shall be accorded to Dementlieuse by the treaties of that nation to which such foreigner shall belong.
4. All citizens of Dementlieu are granted the right to vote
5. all citizens have a right to freedom of speech and the press,
 1. exception to law 5: statements that are against the legal ordained council are forbidden.
6. Citizens have the right to property.
7. Citizens have the right to worship what they please.
 1. Due to the majority of the populace following the Ezrite faith, it is considered the official religion.
8. Education will be publicly funded for those who seek to earn an education.


CONTRACT LAW
Spoiler: show
 
1. A contract is an agreement which binds one or more persons, towards another or several others, to give, to do, or not to do something.
2. Four conditions are essential to the validity of an agreement:
  1. The consent of the party who binds himself;
  2. His capacity to contract;
  3. A certain object forming the matter of the contract;
   4. A lawful cause in the bond.  
3. There can be no valid consent if such consent have been given through magic, or have been extorted through violence or surreptitiously obtained by fraud.
4. Marriage is also a contract, and as such it follows the previous stated requirements.
5. The right of opposing the celebration of marriage belongs to the persons and parties connected by marriage with one of the two contracting parties.
6. Adoption is permitted to persons of either sex who are citizens of the republic of dementlieu and are well of.


PROPERTY LAW
Spoiler: show

1. Property is defined as all items, objects, money, or a location.
2. No one can compel another to give up their property, unless said individual has committed a crime that punishes them with loss of property.
3. Succession is opened upon death of the individual, or permanent banishment from dementlieu.
4. The heirs are bound by the debts and charges on the succession.
5. To own any locations in the republic, you must have a legal document saying that it is in yours or your parties ownership.
6. It is up to the owner of the property when it is a location if other individuals are allowed to enter or not.
7. Falkovinians do not have the right of entering a governmental facility without the escort of armed government agents.


8. TRADE LAW
Spoiler: show

1. All business require proper documentation to start and conduct business.
2. The following persons are forbidden to become purchasers, either by themselves or by the intervention of others, on pain of nullity:
 1.Falkovinians
 2.People serving out their crime
 3.the mentally ill
3. Every thing which is the object of commerce may be sold, where particular laws have not prohibited the alienation thereof.
4. It is against the law to sell items that are considered illegal substances or governmental official items; these include the following:
5. drugs and similar substances
6. governmental uniforms, documents, keys and personal effects of those who work for the government
7. military grade weapons, including but not limited to bombs, cannons, and artillery
8. the buying and selling of individuals is against the law; as is owning them.


MAJOR CRIMES
Spoiler: show

1. EVERY Dementlieuse , who shall have borne arms against Dementlieu, shall be punished with death and his property will be confiscated by the government.
2. Whoever shall have practiced any machinations, or kept up any understanding with foreign powers, or their agents, to induce them to commit hostilities, or undertake war against Dementlieu, or to procure them the means of doing so, shall be punished with death, and his property shall be confiscated.
3. An attempt or plot against the life, or against the person of the Lord-Governor or the council of Brilliance, is a crime of high treason (lèse majesté); this crime is punishable with death; and, moreover, infers the confiscation of property.
4. Every attempt or plot, the object of which shall be , either to to excite civil war or armed uprisings,  or to carry devastation, massacre, and pillage into one or more towns and locals shall be punished with death furthermore the offenders will have their property confiscated
5. Whoever shall have set fire to, or destroyed by the explosion with magic, any buildings, arsenals, ships, or other property belonging to the republic, shall be punished with death and confiscation of property .
6. Those who, either by discourses pronounced in public places or meetings, or by bills posted up, or by printed writings, shall have directly excited the citizens or inhabitants to commit the crimes and plots mentioned in the present section, shall be punished as guilty of those crimes or plots
 1. Nevertheless, in the cases where these incitements shall not have been followed by any effect, the actors thereof shall only be punished with banishment.
7. Every person guilty of assassination, or poisoning, shall be punished with death
8.  Whoever, by any writing, anonymous or signed, shall have threatened any one with assassination, poisoning, or any other personal assault, punishable with death or perpetual hard labor for time
 1. However if such actions were not carried out then a fine of 100-600 solars shall be issued.
9. If the threat was verbal, then they shall be punished with the same crime as if they ordered it in writing.
 1. However if nothing comes of said action then nothing is to occur to the one who issued such a statement.
10. Those who commit the black arts; defined as necromancy, infernalism and demonology, shall be punished by death and their property confiscated.


MINOR CRIMES
Spoiler: show

1. very individual, who shall have given any wounds or blows to another individual that has harmed them in a grievous manner, shall be punished with a jail time, and a fine of 100-600 solars.
 1. If one is however dueling, then one does not comite the above crime. Duels to the death though are punished as acts of killing another person and thus a major crime.
2. There is neither crime when the homicide, wounds, and blows, were ordained by the law, and commanded by lawful authority.
3. There is neither crime when the homicide, wounds, and blows, were commanded by the actual necessity of lawful self-defense, or defense of another person.
2. any individual guilty of theft,  shall be punished by a fine of 200-600 solars or with hard labor.
3. Whoever shall willfully burn or destroy, by any means whatever, any registers, minutes, or original acts of public authority; any deeds, notes, bills of exchange, banking or commercial papers, containing or operating any obligation, conveyance, or release; shall be punished as with hard labor, jail time, and a fine of 500 or more solars depending on the document that was destroyed.
4. The possession of illegal substances shall be a punished with a fine of 50-100 solars and a single night stay at the jails.
5. Whoever shall have counterfeited or altered the silver or gold coin, legally current in Dementlieu; or shall have taken part in the issue or uttering of such counterfeit or altered coin; or in bringing the same within the Dementlieuse territory, shall be punished with fine of twice the coin that was counterfeited.
6. The penalty of perpetual hard labour shall be inflicted upon every individual guilty of theft, committed by means of violence as well as restitution to the victim.
7. Whoever shall wilfully set destroy to any buildings, ships, boats, warehouses, dock or timber yards; woods, underwoods, or crops, either standing or cut down; and whether the wood be in heaps or cords, and the crops in heaps or stacks; or to combustible materials, so placed as to communicate the fire to such objects, or any of them; shall be punished with death.
8. Any who shall take another against the individual's will, shall be sentinced to hard labor and given a fine of 300-800 solars.
 1. If violence was used to take the individual by force then they shall be subject the punishment befitting violence as laid out above.
9. Whoever shall willfully destroy or throw down, by any means whatever, in whole or in part, any buildings, bridges, piers, or cause-ways; or any other constructions which belong to others; shall be punished with hard labor, in addition he shall be punished with a fine equal to at least half of the destroyed building's monetary worth.
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